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Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#61 - 2013-03-29 04:01:19 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
What we had before wasn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but it was better than what we've had for the past five years. It's made monsters out of all of us, and for what? Intaki Prime is more important to me than most people could possibly imagine but it'd never be worth all the horrors I've seen in the past half-decade.


For clarification, sir,

The Caldari lived as exiles for centuries while the Gallente repopulated their conquered homelands.

The Gallente lived much as they always have for five years while the Caldari retook their homelands.

It is your statement that the former is a better situation than the latter?
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#62 - 2013-03-29 07:21:15 UTC
*sigh*

What we really need here is to somehow find a way to relocate a planet. Maybe put a big wormhole in it's orbit path or something.

In all seriousness, though... is it the planet that matters, or the people on it? The flag or the hand that holds it? Because it is not inconceivable to evacuate the entire Caldari population from Caldari Prime and move them back into Caldari space.

If you're willing to part with the sentimental attachment and realize, scientifically, that dirt is dirt then maybe you can convince the Federation to just trade it for another planet along the border and redraw the map without this little bubble of State inside the Federation. Then you can move all the Caldari from Caldari Prime to this new planet, then move all the Gallente off the new planet and back over to Caldari Prime, and finally name Caldari Prime something else entirely and forget about it.

Is that one bit of dirt somehow magical and more valuable than any other habitable ball of dirt whirling through the cosmos? Or is the people that matter? Because you can't move an entire planet but you can move people... and you can redraw territorial maps afterward to something that reflects this change.

It won't make everyone happy, but it's probably better than continuing to reduce the biosphere from "ice" to "barren."

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#63 - 2013-03-29 11:02:46 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:


In all seriousness, though... is it the planet that matters, or the people on it? The flag or the hand that holds it? Because it is not inconceivable to evacuate the entire Caldari population from Caldari Prime and move them back into Caldari space.


These questions and this sentiment are borne from a natural misunderstanding of our people and why this singular planet is so important to us. To the Caldari, this planet is not just a ball of dirt that we once came from. It is far more than that. The concept is difficult to explain to outsiders but I will do my best.

Most Caldari (I would say "all" but that is another discussion for another time) walk The Way of the Winds, or just "The Way." It is not just a religion or spirituality, it is our way of life, our culture and our history. Caldari Prime is home to the spirits that taught us "The Way" and our history is written plainly upon the landmarks and architecture of it.

This planet is home to the Kaalakiota Peaks, the Great Western Sea and the ancient Kresh trees. It is the home of our guiding spirits and our ancestral spirits. It is where we were found by Cold Wind and taught to survive in the harsh lands of our home, it is where Heart-of-the-Woods provided for us and taught us to build shelter from Cold Wind's rage and Storm Wind's teasing, it is where Mountain Wind resides at the peaks of Kaalakiota and where Wind-of-the-West taught us to trade and how to sail. It is the land The Maker gave to us and the lessons we have been taught from it remain dear to us today.

The very way of life of the Caldari people is an extension of what we learned from Caldari Prime. The strict and unforgiving climate taught us the values of self-sacrifice for the community, hearth and home, the necessity for efficiency, honor toward one's family and one's kin, benevolence to one another so that all are strengthened and yes, even ruthlessness and the harshness toward those who refuse to serve the community or place oneself above the many.

Caldari Prime isn't just a planet, it is the very embodiment of everything that we are.


~Malcolm Khross

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2013-03-29 11:34:35 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
For clarification, sir,

The Caldari lived as exiles for centuries while the Gallente repopulated their conquered homelands.

The Gallente lived much as they always have for five years while the Caldari retook their homelands.

It is your statement that the former is a better situation than the latter?

My statement is that it's better than a ******* war.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#65 - 2013-03-29 12:51:43 UTC
Apparently not or the Gallente would just let us have it.
Gustav Kleist
Abyssal Infinity
#66 - 2013-03-29 13:08:58 UTC
Some things are not so simple, or so trivial, that one can step away like that. As Khross-haan has said more eloquently than I ever could, Caldari Prime is much more than "a piece of dirt" to the Caldari people. It's Home. It's a Symbol. It's an Ideal.

Better than war, to abandon all this? Better than war to just step away and do something else, forsaking whatever we hold dear and honourable? No, monsieur Ixiris. Not for us.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#67 - 2013-03-29 13:51:56 UTC
Right... so back to the wormhole plan, then... Ugh

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#68 - 2013-03-29 14:14:50 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
For clarification, sir,

The Caldari lived as exiles for centuries while the Gallente repopulated their conquered homelands.

The Gallente lived much as they always have for five years while the Caldari retook their homelands.

It is your statement that the former is a better situation than the latter?

My statement is that it's better than a ******* war.


I agree, sir. Enough blood has been shed.

How then shall we avoid this impending conflict?
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#69 - 2013-03-29 14:25:15 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
*sigh*

What we really need here is to somehow find a way to relocate a planet. Maybe put a big wormhole in it's orbit path or something.

That would require a tremendous amount of resources. It is much easier to find to relocate something, well, more relocatable, like, say, gallente citizens.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Sorjat
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2013-03-29 14:33:19 UTC
Scherazad Ixiris wrote:

"I agree, sir. Enough blood has been shed."

++++

I disagree Mme. There is considerably more blood to be shed in the coming days.



After reviewing all holoreels, commentary, local channels and a variety of other media I have concluded that the Gallente have exhausted all available venues to talk this matter through with our former bretheren.

It is impossible to reason with the insane, zealots or animals.

As a Gallentean I too am first inclined to negotiate before acting but to borrow an ancient phrase, (origin unknown), ... "there is only peace among equals".

The Caldari are neither our equals nor rational. It is time for the Gallente to wake and realize that there can only be war.

The destruction of the Caldari Leviathan Shiigeru proves that we have the means and when sufficientely provoked we can muster the will. Make no mistake that involved only a fraction of the Federation's available forces as there is considerably more on standby.

The Caldari has vowed revenge on us and our bitter history informs us that they will strike, it is only a matter of 'when'. Indeed we are now at War pushed to this state by the beligerence of our enemies.

As the Caldari fleet lies in ruins now is the time to act. Delay only benefits our enemies to give them time to regroup and strike us again.

I formally petition the Federal Senate to vote on a formal declaration of war against the Caldari and begin a full scale invasion of Caldari space. At a minimum we need to occupy the closest Caldari systems as a buffer to prevent another attack on Luminaire. Attack them before they invade us again.

Now is the time to ACT!

Now is the time for WAR!

Insanity is not hubris, not pride; it is inflation of the ego to its ultimate - confusion between him who worships and that which is worshipped. Man has not eaten God; God has eaten man.

-- PKD

Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#71 - 2013-03-29 15:03:48 UTC
Sorjat wrote:
[...]
Now is the time to ACT!

Now is the time for WAR!


It's because of people with your mindset that this bitter enmity between our two peoples exists in the first place, lad.

Your cry for continued aggression and war will only result in more death. If you believe destroying one titan has crippled the State's defenses, you're extremely naive.

~Malcolm Khross

Gustav Kleist
Abyssal Infinity
#72 - 2013-03-29 15:08:00 UTC
Ah, and here are the war-hawks of the Federation... I'm reassured, for some time I believed we had the exclusivity on those.
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#73 - 2013-03-29 15:25:26 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
*sigh*

What we really need here is to somehow find a way to relocate a planet. Maybe put a big wormhole in it's orbit path or something.

That would require a tremendous amount of resources. It is much easier to find to relocate something, well, more relocatable, like, say, gallente citizens.

Why does my mouth taste like bile?
Oh, right, it's because I am agreeing with Diana Kim

Sorjat wrote:

Now is the time to ACT!

Now is the time for WAR!

Shiigeru wasn't hurting anyone till pieces started falling on their heads.
If the Caldari and Gallente people aren't equals, then the deficiency is yours.
Sorjat
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2013-03-29 15:43:30 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:

"If you believe destroying one titan has crippled the State's defenses, you're extremely naive."

++++

Monsieur Khross, I thank you for you input sir, however, I can assure you that I am not naive. Not at all. Indeed I consider my people and the Gallentian Senate truly naive, however, I digress.

As I know some of my fellow citizens who have voiced their peaceful intentions here are absolutely sincere in their beliefs and I firmly believe it will be their undoing. The result is only more Gallentean sufferring, more of our systems invaded, more titans crashed on our worlds... billions sufferring... c'est dégueulasse!

As for Caldari resources and resourcefullness I assure you I am fully aware of what you are capable of sir... hence why, even though it pains me so much to say it... there is no alternative. My people do not believe in absolutes so I have trouble convincing them of this. I think though, just perhaps, with the great affront and injury you have done us this time that I may be able to convince them.

One other comment Monsieur, it is not your defenses that trouble me, not at all. Au contraire mon ami, it is your multiple offenses that bother me a great deal!

I bid you adieu.

Sorjat,
Gallentian Capsuleer.

Insanity is not hubris, not pride; it is inflation of the ego to its ultimate - confusion between him who worships and that which is worshipped. Man has not eaten God; God has eaten man.

-- PKD

Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#75 - 2013-03-29 15:48:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Simon Louvaki
Sorjat wrote:

The Caldari are neither our equals nor rational. It is time for the Gallente to wake and realize that there can only be war.


and you call us zealots?

Sorjat wrote:

The destruction of the Caldari Leviathan Shiigeru proves that we have the means and when sufficientely provoked we can muster the will. Make no mistake that involved only a fraction of the Federation's available forces as there is considerably more on standby.......As the Caldari fleet lies in ruins now is the time to act. Delay only benefits our enemies to give them time to regroup and strike us again.


You realize that the Home Fleet wasn't our only, or even main fleet correct? have you even reviewed the outcome of the Battle of Caldari Prime? have you seen the casualty figures let alone the number of ships left on the field after the attack?

does Iyen-Oursta mean anything to you?

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#76 - 2013-03-29 16:33:29 UTC
Sorjat wrote:


I bid you adieu.

Sorjat,
Gallentian Capsuleer.


Adieu indeed. I will look for you on the field of battle then, my enemy.

~Malcolm Khross

Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2013-03-29 22:53:54 UTC
Sorjat wrote:
Scherazad Ixiris wrote:

"I agree, sir. Enough blood has been shed."

++++

I disagree Mme. There is considerably more blood to be shed in the coming days.



After reviewing all holoreels, commentary, local channels and a variety of other media I have concluded that the Gallente have exhausted all available venues to talk this matter through with our former bretheren.

It is impossible to reason with the insane, zealots or animals.

As a Gallentean I too am first inclined to negotiate before acting but to borrow an ancient phrase, (origin unknown), ... "there is only peace among equals".

The Caldari are neither our equals nor rational. It is time for the Gallente to wake and realize that there can only be war.

The destruction of the Caldari Leviathan Shiigeru proves that we have the means and when sufficientely provoked we can muster the will. Make no mistake that involved only a fraction of the Federation's available forces as there is considerably more on standby.

The Caldari has vowed revenge on us and our bitter history informs us that they will strike, it is only a matter of 'when'. Indeed we are now at War pushed to this state by the beligerence of our enemies.

As the Caldari fleet lies in ruins now is the time to act. Delay only benefits our enemies to give them time to regroup and strike us again.

I formally petition the Federal Senate to vote on a formal declaration of war against the Caldari and begin a full scale invasion of Caldari space. At a minimum we need to occupy the closest Caldari systems as a buffer to prevent another attack on Luminaire. Attack them before they invade us again.

Now is the time to ACT!

Now is the time for WAR!


If the only tool you can comprehend is a hammer, then all your soloutions is nails !
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#78 - 2013-03-30 02:11:04 UTC
Sorjat wrote:
Now is the time to ACT!

Now is the time for WAR!


I request channels for a more peaceful solution.

You respond by saying that we can be met only in battle.

If this is so, it is so, but in your situation it is not ewe who are the unreasonable threat. I am warmed by the multiple opinions of the Gallente people., through which perhaps we may find common purchase.

Also, as an aside, sir. My last name is not Ixiris, all respects to that gentleman.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#79 - 2013-03-30 02:48:42 UTC
I sometimes have a hard time articulating my attitude towards war, so please bear with me.

If war seriously impeded our species, we'd have grown out of the habit a long time ago, I think. Instead, it's one of our defining pastimes. Given that, and the fact that we have been on a consistent upwards trend throughout recorded history, then that means either that war is not actively detrimental to us, or that it is of some benefit.

If you buy (as I do) the theory that humanity in these stars came through a wormhole in the New Eden system known as EVE, then that means that the only thing suggested to have ever truly knocked us on our collective ass in any serious way was apparently a natural disaster rather than a man-made one.

We're an aggressive species. We thrive on playing a high-stakes game, and if given the option to remove that aggression, I'd refuse it. I'm quite certain that doing so would destroy us - to remove our aggression would remove so many other beneficial things. Our drive for improvement, our passion for causes, our compulsion to expand our knowledge. I firmly believe that the secret to well-being is, once you have secured your own needs, finding a cause greater than you are and devoting yourself to it.

I have no love for war. It's grim, ugly, terrible and tragic. But I view it as the price we pay for so many wonderful things. We'll never be rid of it and I'm quite convinced we should never wish to be rid of it. What we should wish for is that the intervals between wars should be as long and as prosperous as possible.

But when the time inevitably comes? Strike first, strike hard, and preferably without warning. Be relentless and ruthless, be cold and calculating. Win at all costs, but remember that sacrificing your ideals and your self is itself a defeat condition. There are no half-measures in war, and if you find yourself in a fair fight then you have failed militarily. If you must wage war, lose yourself in savagery for as long as necessary, secure victory as swiftly and efficiently as possible, then resume your facade of civilisation.

I don't know if true war with the Federation is coming. A week on from the downing of the Shiigeru we're doing better than I had thought. My initial rage has faded and neither side has reacted rashly or impulsively. But if it does come to that, I know which side I've always been on.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#80 - 2013-03-30 03:20:44 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Right... so back to the wormhole plan, then... Ugh


You called?

Kidding aside, I too have thought of the advantages of moving the entire planet. If we could only understand how the natural wormholes form in the predictable manners they do, we might be able to make a wormhole of our own. Of course, Sansha's Nation already possesses wormhole generation technology, though the mass limitations are still a problem for such a task.

I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way.

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