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A call to the Federation Navy and Loyalists

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Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1 - 2013-03-22 18:41:40 UTC
You've made your point. The Titan in orbit of Caldari prime is gone.

Pull back your fleets and bring your troops home. Caldari Prime belongs to the Caldari people. it always has, and it always will. The gallente people in orbit and planetside are invaders. if you truly seek peace leave the Caldari homeworld to the Caldari.

You claim you are doing it for freedom. Freedom does not send soldiers to steal someone's home and kill their people. Freedom does not drop capital ship debris on innocent civilians. It's too soon for reports, but I am willing to bet your actions today have cost more lives on both sides than you claimed to have been protecting.


If the Caldari people were invading your home and trying to take it from you, you would undoubtedly react the same way we have reacted to your invasion. Gallente prime is not threatened however; our people have no interest in it. Even if it were threatened, your ships and troops should be at YOUR home, so get away from ours.
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-03-22 18:44:08 UTC
Nope.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 

Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#3 - 2013-03-22 18:49:35 UTC
Why?
Tell me why you are not satisfied with the rest of the planets in the Luminaire system? Why are you so hell bent on stealing that one last planet that is our home? you scream of freedom, but all I see is a bully trying to take everything for themselves.
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#4 - 2013-03-22 18:50:29 UTC
It's more likely the locals will be removing the occupation themselves.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-03-22 18:50:32 UTC
Mr. Kraid speaks the truth. We got what we wanted. Federal Navy forces should remain only to help with relief and rebuild efforts. After that, a full withdrawal will be necessary to guarantee peace within our time.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#6 - 2013-03-22 18:51:57 UTC
Few will stop at an inch when a mile is in their grasp. This was never about ridding Luminarie of the Titan, I don't know why anyone thinks otherwise.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-03-22 18:54:42 UTC
Well here's how it is.

The Titan is gone, and the people of both Gallente and Caldari Primes are safe for the time being. I will not lift a finger to assist the Gallente military in "reclaiming" Caldari Prime.

But I won't lift a finger to stop them, either.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-03-22 19:03:55 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:
Why?
Tell me why you are not satisfied with the rest of the planets in the Luminaire system? Why are you so hell bent on stealing that one last planet that is our home? you scream of freedom, but all I see is a bully trying to take everything for themselves.


Now that our heroic liberators and champions of justice are victorious, the Federation is whole once again.

You've held the people of that planet at gunpoint with a titan, build underwater death camps, murdered protesters and committed various crimes and cowardly acts.

You have brought this upon yourselves. Mourn, weep and regret. It's all we allow you to do.

This is the day of history that brave free men and woman have risen and fought against tyrants, they still fought despite they knew many of them would not survive. No individual that considers himself free will sit idly by and simply watch such injustice.

It is time for you to call somewhere else 'Home' now.


Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 

Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#9 - 2013-03-22 19:04:09 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
It's more likely the locals will be removing the occupation themselves.

I do hope you are refering to the Caldari people removing the invading Gallente soldiers and their mercenaries.
It's impossible for the Caldari people to be an occupational force when it's our world.

I do believe, however, that Gallente CIVILIANS, can be allowed to stay as our guests.

Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Mr. Kraid speaks the truth. We got what we wanted. Federal Navy forces should remain only to help with relief and rebuild efforts. After that, a full withdrawal will be necessary to guarantee peace within our time.

I am glad we can agree. This is evidence that our nations do not need to be enemies as long as we respect each other's boundaries.

Simon Louvaki wrote:
Few will stop at an inch when a mile is in their grasp. This was never about ridding Luminarie of the Titan, I don't know why anyone thinks otherwise.

The Caldari navy caught the Gallente forces off guard when they came to retake our home. They could have easily taken more planets, but they didn't. The Caldari people's only interest is on our home. A single world.
Yarod Cool
Team JAVELIN
#10 - 2013-03-22 19:05:33 UTC
The Titan is dead, now it's time to liberate the homeworld. Those Provists deserve what's coming to them... or worse.
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#11 - 2013-03-22 19:06:58 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
It's more likely the locals will be removing the occupation themselves.

I do hope you are refering to the Caldari people removing the invading Gallente soldiers and their mercenaries.
It's impossible for the Caldari people to be an occupational force when it's our world.


The world is majority Gallentean. What do you expect when for most of the past two centuries it's been in Luminaire?
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#12 - 2013-03-22 19:08:47 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:

The Caldari navy caught the Gallente forces off guard when they came to retake our home. They could have easily taken more planets, but they didn't. The Caldari people's only interest is on our home. A single world.


This is false. There isn't a single military tactician out there -Caldari or otherwise- who will agree with this. Concord was down for a day and it took the failure of tripwire, the mobilization of the entire State military and extensive segregation and dissent amoung the Caldari populace of Home to achieve the miraculous if strategically stupid position we got out of the One Day War.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-03-22 19:16:01 UTC
Yarod Cool wrote:
The Titan is dead, now it's time to liberate the homeworld. Those Provists deserve what's coming to them... or worse.

Are you... sure you're alright, Yarod? What you're saying is in pretty much direct opposition to the actions and beliefs of your alliance.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Yarod Cool
Team JAVELIN
#14 - 2013-03-22 19:20:19 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Yarod Cool wrote:
The Titan is dead, now it's time to liberate the homeworld. Those Provists deserve what's coming to them... or worse.

Are you... sure you're alright, Yarod? What you're saying is in pretty much direct opposition to the actions and beliefs of your alliance.


Yeah, so Luminaire isn't Providence. It's more important.
Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
#15 - 2013-03-22 19:22:39 UTC
I believe there will be more blood. I sincerely doubt the Federation is going to simply be the "bigger guy" and pull their people peacefully off OUR home world. While the State may be smaller and our faction warfare pilots lacking, I daresay you are going to see a lot of very, very talented capsuleers "come home" to the arms of the State. I intend to, if only for a little while, but I have a few "incidents" I have to clear up before they'll let me in I'm afraid.
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#16 - 2013-03-22 19:27:30 UTC
Mekhana wrote:
Xindi Kraid wrote:
Why?
Tell me why you are not satisfied with the rest of the planets in the Luminaire system? Why are you so hell bent on stealing that one last planet that is our home? you scream of freedom, but all I see is a bully trying to take everything for themselves.


Now that our heroic liberators and champions of justice are victorious, the Federation is whole once again.

You've held the people of that planet at gunpoint with a titan, build underwater death camps, murdered protesters and committed various crimes and cowardly acts.

You have brought this upon yourselves. Mourn, weep and regret. It's all we allow you to do.

This is the day of history that brave free men and woman have risen and fought against tyrants, they still fought despite they knew many of them would not survive. No individual that considers himself free will sit idly by and simply watch such injustice.

It is time for you to call somewhere else 'Home' now.



I won't defend Heth's actions against innocent civilians. I don't believe those actions are defensible by any sane person.
You can't deny that Gallente terrorists have attacked Caldari people, though, and you can't deny that some of those attacks may even have been instigated by the Federation, nor that they have had combatants on the surface for some time now.

We did not bring this upon ourselves. We only wanted to be able to live for ourselves without the Federation trying to control every aspect of our way of life. The Federation responded by attacking us, and bombing, and ultimately stealing our home. You speak of freedom, but all your government ever wanted was control.

We have merely returned to take back what was stolen from us just as anyone else would. Now we have the Federation again trying to take what isn't theirs. We shouldn't have to find a new home. We should be allowed to have OURS.
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Xindi Kraid wrote:
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
It's more likely the locals will be removing the occupation themselves.

I do hope you are refering to the Caldari people removing the invading Gallente soldiers and their mercenaries.
It's impossible for the Caldari people to be an occupational force when it's our world.


The world is majority Gallentean. What do you expect when for most of the past two centuries it's been in Luminaire?

It was caldari many centuries before that for many centuries longer. If I might remind you, the Caldari people hail from the same system as the Gallente, we have just as much right to it as you do. We have more right to that planet, however, just as the Gallente have more right to your homeworld.

Most of the Gallente population that has accumulated on Caldari Prime over the past couple hundred years come in the wake of the Federation stealing our world. if I might remind you, we had to evacuate under fire from that same Navy that claims to be doing this for civilians. The alternative was death. It became Gallenteized at gunpoint; and now you seek to repeat those actions.

Again, the Gallente who were born on that world can be allowed to stay, we should be able to coexist, but not at the expense of the Caldari people who have the rightful claim to the planet.
BloodBird
The Crucible.
#17 - 2013-03-22 19:43:19 UTC
The Megathron-class I was flying, the Ayanami Rei, is gone. Her crew of over 3000 mostly dead. Many have escaped into their lifeboats and are soon safe in station across the system.

I am still out here, floating naked in my capsule, my systems overloaded by the severe spatial distortions that plagued the battle. I am powering down my systems and keeping only the "sleep-mode" power going, along with my access to GAL-NET. No-one will ever find me, and even if they do, it will only be another insignificant death for me.

It's time I let you know a little of what I think of this disgusting mess.

Xindi Kraid wrote:
You've made your point. The Titan in orbit of Caldari prime is gone.

Pull back your fleets and bring your troops home. Caldari Prime belongs to the Caldari people. it always has, and it always will. The gallente people in orbit and planetside are invaders. if you truly seek peace leave the Caldari homeworld to the Caldari.


I suspect that is exactly what will happen. The battle will die-down eventually and the Federation's Navy will restore full control over the system. The battles on the planet will be won by Federal forces as they will likely be reinforced by marines and troopers. The State soldiers on the ground will be defeated and either surrender to be POW's, or they will die fighting to the last. It may take years, but a state of normalcy will be restored eventually. And then the Caldari will have their world back.

You see, being Caldari, as far as I'm concerned, is a state of mind. The Caldari were Caldari centuries before the Gallente landed for the first time, they were Caldari for the centuries they cooperated, they were Caldari even as the one's that declared themselves the "Caldari" State left them behind. And they are Caldari now, even if the majority were born by Gallentean blood.

On Caldari Prime, the world itself and it's harshness forces it's population to embrace the Caldari mindset. To adapt and be assimilated into the local culture. This was true for the first non-Caldari settlers and it's true for the people there now. Caldari Prime has always been the property of the Caldari, just not the Caldari State. You briefly assumed control for the months you kept the war raging on the planet, and then you left, leaving the planet in the hands of the Caldari nation-states that had ruled it since the beginning of time. Then you returned to take control from the Caldari nation-states again and submitted the population to foreign occupation. Ironically, you held the world for a longer time this time around. Several years, as opposed to a few months.

Today, those nation-states and their population that you stepped on were liberated from foreign occupation and are free peoples once again.

Xindi Kraid wrote:
You claim you are doing it for freedom. Freedom does not send soldiers to steal someone's home and kill their people. Freedom does not drop capital ship debris on innocent civilians. It's too soon for reports, but I am willing to bet your actions today have cost more lives on both sides than you claimed to have been protecting.


The State sent soldiers to invade our homes on Caldari Prime and across the length and breath of Placid, Verge Vendor and other places. The State saw fit to kill our people in droves when you invaded Caldari Prime again and in the previous war when you drowned a city. The State saw fit to glorify the man who rammed a carrier into a planet and killed over 2 million people using ship debris. The State's fleet in orbit over Caldari Prime is now raining down on the planet and I have no idea how many will perish before we manage to clean it all up.

Tomorrow I will be in Luminaire, provided it's safe, and do what I can to help in the cleanup.

Xindi Kraid wrote:
If the Caldari people were invading your home and trying to take it from you, you would undoubtedly react the same way we have reacted to your invasion. Gallente prime is not threatened however; our people have no interest in it. Even if it were threatened, your ships and troops should be at YOUR home, so get away from ours.


We did. The population of Caldari Prime reacted to the State invasion by doing their part to get you off the planet. Among other things, they blew up your headquarters on the planet and hunted your men down. Gallente Prime is not our only home. I live far away, on one of many worlds you saw fit to ravage with war. The only reason Heth did not glass Gallente Prime when he could is because he had 90% of his fleet in Luminaire and he knew that doing so would see us burn the State down. He is not a moron.

And finally, our troops ARE at our home, securing the Luminaire system. None of us are anywhere near New Caldari Prime. In fact, we did not even reach it in the last war, so the home of your State has never been directly endangered by this Union's warriors, as far as I know at least.

You saw fit to start a war. This day and this event was likely inevitable from that day forward. As relieved I am to see that this chapter is over, a darker and more cruel one of immense suffering and centuries of pain and misery has likely opened up.

Thank you so much, citizens of the Caldari State. If I ever sire any children, their children and their children's children will suffer in this war, because you never knew how to ask the nations of Caldari Prime politely if they would consider joining the State.

It's not like the Federation could stop them if they said yes, either.

Lialus Raithe
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-03-22 20:57:10 UTC
Would that this never had to occur.

Caldari Prime belongs to the people inhabiting it. If they desire to be a part of the State, then let their petition be heard.

I would prefer that the road remain open for the Caldari, for them to visit and live on their ancestral home world without interference, but it is simply not a logical solution at this point. At best, we can hope for the Caldari to be given the freedom to visit and live so long as they are willing to comply to Federation jurisdiction while they are on the planet.

The titan is indeed down and hundreds of thousands are dead in its wake. This cascade of one cut to another from both sides will only bring more death and suffering, how much longer will it be before we realize this? Compromise will have to be reached but it will have to be a joint effort from both sides of the conflict.

This back and forth vengeance for vengeance is not the way to achieve it.
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#19 - 2013-03-22 21:38:35 UTC
I still see the utter hypocrisy of the Caldari people, even after a disaster such as this.

Demands to leave a federation planet you chose to leave behind.
Demands to remove the Federation citizens of both Caldari and Gallente ethnicity from the world they call home.
Demands to leave it to a navy and leadership that were willing to FIRE A DOOMSDAY WEAPON at the planet less than 24 hours ago.

This, Still. From a people who were fine with my homeworld being auctioned off to their megacorporations as nothing more than an asset, with no care for the population.

And you have the nerve to call the Federation the bad guys in all this.
They have a legitimate claim to all of Luminaire.
You have NO claim to Intaki.

I've said it before, and I'll likely have to say it again.
Wash your own hands before you point fingers.

-Tertianus Rethelior

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.

Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#20 - 2013-03-22 21:44:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Simon Louvaki
iyammarrok wrote:

Wash your own hands before you point fingers.


Perhaps you should say that to the mirror. I realize that these are highly stressful and emotional times but for the Makers sake cut the bull ****.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

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