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Helene Chenal

Offensive Upholder

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#21 - 2013-03-21 23:09:41 UTC

Mortrius wrote:

Hah, yes, I recall now. It's been quite a long time since I've seen you though, thank you for jogging my memory :D What's your C3-capable Drake skillplan then? Though I will say, I'm still interested in running armor in wormholes for the time being.

Honestly dude, the only reason not to use the legion is price - oh you'll make the isk for it, but running sites solo gets you ganked.

Same goes for any solo ship in a c3. You're better off running c2 sites solo until you can afford the legion. If you've got an alt, do 2 rr domis with sentries. If you can't do that, just join a WH corp that is active in your preferred hours.

Reckless-Endangerment Manifesto. 22
Mortrius Reckless-Endangerment Manifesto. Likes received: 22	#22 - 2013-03-21 23:11:31 UTC Gotcha. The advice is appreciated.

Fred P

Carebears of New Eden

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#23 - 2013-03-21 23:18:22 UTC

Helene Chenal wrote:

I seriously doubt you could after the neutrino changes of almost two years ago. It's not even close to the legion in the tank department. Also, I told you when you joined MTCI to train Caldari if you were serious about WH PVE. Matter of fact, I came up with a skill plan at the time that put 0 sp toons in c3 capable drake in 3-4 weeks. It's not too late :p

Would you care to share that skill plan? And perhaps a fit? Not that "train missile skills and ship skills" is too difficult a concept, but I'd like to know what constituted c3 capable.

lilith silverstone

The Arrow Project

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#24 - 2013-03-21 23:34:51 UTC

You do realize that a Legion with a cap battery won't get neuter out by the sleepers on the hands of any pilot with an ounce of brains and anyone can get ganked in a site (yes even the mighty tengu/sarcasm) if you don't watch dscan.

Furthermore if training cladari for PVE limits what you can do PVE or PVP wise in c5+ where it's mostly all armour.

Unless of course you want to be relegated to jamming tengu, or bait drake.

Mortrius

Reckless-Endangerment

Manifesto.

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#25 - 2013-03-21 23:55:03 UTC | Edited by: Mortrius

lilith silverstone wrote:

Interesting stuff. If I'm armor then, what do I work towards while in a C3 to get to a Legion?

EDIT: And if that's the case and all of these other people who are saying that a Legion WILL get capped out, what fitting are you using to prevent that? They seem to have different experiences.

Helene Chenal

Offensive Upholder

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#26 - 2013-03-22 00:21:04 UTC

Mortrius wrote:

lilith silverstone wrote:

To be fair, the last time I did c3s was before the cap battery change as well.

Helene Chenal

Offensive Upholder

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#27 - 2013-03-22 00:22:44 UTC

Fred P wrote:

Helene Chenal wrote:

Would you care to share that skill plan? And perhaps a fit? Not that "train missile skills and ship skills" is too difficult a concept, but I'd like to know what constituted c3 capable.

Be able to fit tech 2 shield modules, and have your missile projection skills and skills that effect flight time to 4. You need at least 130ish regen solo, less if in a group.


Mortrius Reckless-Endangerment Manifesto. Likes received: 22	#28 - 2013-03-22 00:31:24 UTC I actually have those skills, surprisingly! Do you have a fitting recommendation then? Also, your help really is very much appreciated.

Derath Ellecon

University of Caille

Gallente Federation

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#29 - 2013-03-22 00:57:09 UTC

Helene Chenal wrote:

Derath Ellecon wrote:

Helene Chenal wrote:

Trolling aside, get a tengu for solo c3s. Nothing else competes, certainly not a cap hungry laser repping legion.

I have wondered how a 100mn HAM Legion would work...

Considering you don't have the isk, I'd suggest running incursions, exploration, or solo c2 sites and save up for a T3.

Have you tried it? Because I have with a legion friend of mine. We have raced anoms and the legion does far better then you would expect. It practically one shots the frigates and melts the cruisers faster than a tengu. The tengu can apply better damage on the battleships, but not like it used to since the furies range was merged.

A perfect pair is a tengu/legion.

Were talking solo here - if you've got great cap skills, then yes, I could see that being partially true. Depends on the sites as well - some a legion will be completely nueted out no matter what.

So was I. Yes we ran together, but he also ran solo. And we raced solo each running the same site on our own.

His legion could solo all four anoms. He did say he occasionally overheated the tank. But we kept paste at the pos so it was all good.

This was his fit. Which is also good proof that running purely solo will eventually end up in a gank

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14774279

Azael Maken

Sanity's Refuge

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#30 - 2013-03-22 03:38:44 UTC

My Legion pilot runs this fit:

[Legion]

Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Dark Blood Armor Thermic Hardener
Dark Blood Armor EM Hardener

Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Large Capacitor Battery II
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network

I used to run a Tracking Computer but now find it unnecessary. After you run each anom a couple times you memorized all the spawns, and you're never out of Scorch range (38k). This runs all anoms in your sleep. I started with a lesser armor repper and another EAM instead of the 3rd heat sink until I could afford it. I solo Radars and Mags as well in it, and if there are more than 1 to run I do the same thing with the extra EAM in place of the heat sink. While you're learning to solo the heavier neuting stuff like Radars and Mags, I'd even recommend swapping out another Heat Sink for a CPR. The DPS hit hurts, but you won't get caught capped out and out a 1.5 bil ship.

I haven't "raced" against another tengu, but I do fly with them frequently and their DPS is not even close on Cruisers and Frigs, which there are a lot of in C3s. I've always heard they do more DPS against BS, but I'm not even sure that's true. WIth implats I'm hitting 597dps with conflag, which does fine on BS and Cruisers. I'm no authority on Tengu's, but I'd say the range advantage is a non factor, as well as neuting. To me, the benefit seems to be more the lesser cost than anything else.

Like you, I started in a Zealot running C2s. I even ran it in C3s, although I lost a few learning spawns and in the long run really wasn't worth it. I think you'll probably hate the C3 drake after flying the Zealot. It'll be slower both DPS and speed wise, and boring. I doubt you'll make more money with it, because you could probably clear anoms and sigs in a C2 fast enough in a zealot to make up for the difference. Personally, I'd stick with the Zealot until you can afford a couple Legions (or one if you dare). I found it to be very worth it. You will probably burn out soloing though, I know I did.

Roime

Mea Culpa.

Shadow Cartel

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#31 - 2013-03-22 07:37:45 UTC

I'm testing this solo Domi. Goal is to have a T1 Gallente ship than can solo C3s without being completely reliant on cap boosters.

[Dominix, PVE 0.1]
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Large Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Domination Large Armor Repairer
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Drone Link Augmentor II
350mm Railgun II, Spike L
350mm Railgun II, Spike L
350mm Railgun II, Spike L
350mm Railgun II, Spike L
350mm Railgun II, Spike L

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Garde II x5
Bouncer II x5

+ lights, mediums med repper drones and ****, haven't settled on selection yet

643 dps @ 84km (max drone range. optimals are higher)
827 dps @ 30ish km

Needs fitting implant love, bloo bloo

Can permarun the Domination repper, which is enough for most parts of the waves. Overheat tank for beginning of heavy waves, reload AAR when not needed. Only tested true solo in OFS and FFS in non-bonused systems, works fine. Legion links needed for mag & radars.

Tank can easily be improved by replacing the DDA II with a RAH and/or upgrading the faction repper. Domination reppers cost nothing and use least cap but don't rep as much as the navy versions, faction is needed to make it fit. And yeah those hardwires too.

JeanMichel Bizarre

Sebiestor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

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#32 - 2013-03-22 11:19:18 UTC | Edited by: JeanMichel Bizarre

I solo C3 anomalies with this:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16776688

Admittedly it's painfully slow, but it beats idling at the pos. Tank is great with a passive recharge rate of around 130hp/s if I recall correctly. I rarely ever need to warp out, but it does happen.

It's very, VERY cheap, which makes this easily replaceable and with a tank better than most T2 fitted tengus and the dps only slightly (yeah ok, maybe considerably) worse, I really can't justify flying anything for now.

Dangerzone

Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1,753
Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation Likes received: 1,753	#33 - 2013-03-22 11:24:10 UTC I love solo ships in a C3.....so yummy...nom nom nom.... Don't ban me, bro!

Helene Chenal

Offensive Upholder

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#34 - 2013-03-22 12:32:07 UTC

Roime wrote:

You'd be better off in a tech 2 blaster Hyperion IMHO


Roime Mea Culpa. Shadow Cartel Likes received: 4,407	#35 - 2013-03-22 16:09:06 UTC Last time I tested the Hype (granted it was over a year ago) it obviously tanked like boss, but with blasters it was ridiculously slow to burn to the targets, and with rails it had serious problems dealing with the frigs. Unbonused lights couldn't even kill all the frigs due to them repping, and mediums often died in a fire without HP bonus. .


Derath Ellecon University of Caille Gallente Federation Likes received: 2,402	#36 - 2013-03-22 16:19:58 UTC Helene Chenal wrote: You'd be better off in a tech 2 blaster Hyperion IMHO So far all of your advise in this thread has been just bad. You should just stop. You've even admitted you haven't even run C3 sites in forever. And not since the neut change.

Lenier Chenal

Offensive Upholder

Likes received: 67

#37 - 2013-03-22 17:38:44 UTC

Derath Ellecon wrote:

Helene Chenal wrote:

You'd be better off in a tech 2 blaster Hyperion IMHO

So far all of your advise in this thread has been just bad. You should just stop. You've even admitted you haven't even run C3 sites in forever. And not since the neut change.

Advising someone to run c3s solo is the original bad piece of advice. You should stop being a scrub. I've ran them since the neut change, but not since the cap battery change - I use fully passive ships when not cap escalating anyways.

I personally have solo'd c3s in a Hyperion, without issues. The guy above me must suck with drone skills. His domi fit is going to get him killed someday, far sooner than using the Hyperion.

Derath Ellecon

University of Caille

Gallente Federation

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#38 - 2013-03-22 18:05:50 UTC

Lenier Chenal wrote:

Derath Ellecon wrote:

Helene Chenal wrote:

You'd be better off in a tech 2 blaster Hyperion IMHO

So far all of your advise in this thread has been just bad. You should just stop. You've even admitted you haven't even run C3 sites in forever. And not since the neut change.

I don't see many in this thread advising anyone to run solo. The OP asked about ships that can solo. I even linked a KM to show a fit that CAN run solo fine, but also to illustrate it is a gank waiting to happen. learn2read.

You must not know Roime. I'm sure his drone skills are fine. And he can afford to lose that domi. You could lose 2 of those domis for the price of 1.5 Hyperion hulls.

And there is no need for a fully passive fit in a C3 or a C4 for that matter.

Lenier Chenal

Offensive Upholder

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#39 - 2013-03-22 18:23:23 UTC

Derath Ellecon wrote:

Lenier Chenal wrote:

Derath Ellecon wrote:

Helene Chenal wrote:

You'd be better off in a tech 2 blaster Hyperion IMHO

So far all of your advise in this thread has been just bad. You should just stop. You've even admitted you haven't even run C3 sites in forever. And not since the neut change.

I don't think anyone soloing c3s is hurt by the isk loss as a result of a gank, perhaps the KM though.

Mr Kidd

Center for Advanced Studies

Gallente Federation

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#40 - 2013-03-22 18:50:18 UTC

Lenier Chenal wrote:

Derath Ellecon wrote:

Lenier Chenal wrote:

Derath Ellecon wrote:

Helene Chenal wrote:

You'd be better off in a tech 2 blaster Hyperion IMHO

So far all of your advise in this thread has been just bad. You should just stop. You've even admitted you haven't even run C3 sites in forever. And not since the neut change.

I don't think anyone soloing c3s is hurt by the isk loss as a result of a gank, perhaps the KM though.

You've obviously never killed a 2bil isk nighthawk soloing a C3.

Don't ban me, bro!

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