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Ships that can Solo C3s
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Mortrius
Reckless-Endangerment
Manifesto.
#1 - 2013-03-21 17:42:27 UTC
Not sure if this can go here, or if this should go in the Ship Fittings section... feels like a crossover. Anyway. What ships are good for soloing C3s, and how would you fit them? I can fly Amarr and Gallente through HAC's and T3s. I currently own a Zealot, but I don't have the ISK for a T3 yet.

So... suggestions?
Helene Chenal
Offensive Upholder
#2 - 2013-03-21 18:03:16 UTC
Shield boosting drake

Faction fit passive tengu with no prop mod

Faction fit proteus with drone sub

You and your friends in self repping faction fit battle cruisers

Two navy domis with faction tank

Faction fit Hyperion

Faction fit anything really, especially your noctis
Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
#3 - 2013-03-21 18:46:37 UTC
Trolls aside,

C3s are where you either need to get a good, well tanked solid ship or get in a fleet.

-Honestly, as passive drake will do the job, albeit slowly.
-Active tengu is better (and put a prop mod on it).
-Legion will work, but range is terribad
-Battleship with solid tank will work

Watch Dscan for probes and ships.

Try not to die.
Inkarr Hashur
Skyline Federation
#4 - 2013-03-21 18:59:58 UTC
"-Legion will work, but range is terribad"

Just sit on a spawn point, sleepers usually approach you anyway. Its a mid-range ship, its not like its using blasters. Terribad isn't the word I'd choose.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-03-21 19:06:12 UTC
Inkarr Hashur wrote:
"-Legion will work, but range is terribad"

Just sit on a spawn point, sleepers usually approach you anyway. Its a mid-range ship, its not like its using blasters. Terribad isn't the word I'd choose.


Solo legion can give a solo tengu a run for its money if piloted well. Once you learn where the waves spawn in a site. Main reason is that C3 sites still have a fair number of frigs and cruisers. And the legion just melts them faster than a tengu.
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
#6 - 2013-03-21 19:17:16 UTC
Fully T2 Legion will get you through an FFS no problem, I usually run them like this:

Initial wave:
-burn towards frigates and pop both,
-pop the cruiser further to the left (facing the sleeper station thing)
-when the last cruiser gets into structure start burning right
Wave 2:
-pop ONE of the upholders (use scorch if your to far away, although with practice you should be able to grab one at 10km)
helps to deal with webbing
-pop both defenders
-finish off the last upholder using scorch, while burning towards the left (relative to the warp in)
Wave 3:
-approach the BS and orbit at 7.5km
-pop the upholder (yes the preserver does RR but popping this guy lets you get closer and mitigate BS damage faster)
-pop the preserver
-pop the BS, followed by the 2 defenders

as always, watch D-scan, and bookmark for clean-up

wumbo
Helene Chenal
Offensive Upholder
#7 - 2013-03-21 19:43:32 UTC
Trolling aside, get a tengu for solo c3s. Nothing else competes, certainly not a cap hungry laser repping legion.

I have wondered how a 100mn HAM Legion would work...

Considering you don't have the isk, I'd suggest running incursions, exploration, or solo c2 sites and save up for a T3.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-03-21 19:57:05 UTC
Helene Chenal wrote:
Trolling aside, get a tengu for solo c3s. Nothing else competes, certainly not a cap hungry laser repping legion.

I have wondered how a 100mn HAM Legion would work...

Considering you don't have the isk, I'd suggest running incursions, exploration, or solo c2 sites and save up for a T3.


Have you tried it? Because I have with a legion friend of mine. We have raced anoms and the legion does far better then you would expect. It practically one shots the frigates and melts the cruisers faster than a tengu. The tengu can apply better damage on the battleships, but not like it used to since the furies range was merged.

A perfect pair is a tengu/legion.
Inkarr Hashur
Skyline Federation
#9 - 2013-03-21 20:10:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Inkarr Hashur
I can't see a reason why a 100MN legion fit wouldn't work in an anom. Decent damage, range is ok due to its speed countering webs, can't dual rep but one works fine for anoms, very strong capacitor.
Helene Chenal
Offensive Upholder
#10 - 2013-03-21 20:11:11 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Helene Chenal wrote:
Trolling aside, get a tengu for solo c3s. Nothing else competes, certainly not a cap hungry laser repping legion.

I have wondered how a 100mn HAM Legion would work...

Considering you don't have the isk, I'd suggest running incursions, exploration, or solo c2 sites and save up for a T3.


Have you tried it? Because I have with a legion friend of mine. We have raced anoms and the legion does far better then you would expect. It practically one shots the frigates and melts the cruisers faster than a tengu. The tengu can apply better damage on the battleships, but not like it used to since the furies range was merged.

A perfect pair is a tengu/legion.


Were talking solo here - if you've got great cap skills, then yes, I could see that being partially true. Depends on the sites as well - some a legion will be completely nueted out no matter what.
Inkarr Hashur
Skyline Federation
#11 - 2013-03-21 20:13:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Inkarr Hashur
Edit: actually no, I'd still hesitate on the 1400 DPS site. Looking back at pyfa the 1B figure was just my bad memory at work.
Helene Chenal
Offensive Upholder
#12 - 2013-03-21 20:18:34 UTC
Inkarr Hashur wrote:
Edit: actually no, I'd still hesitate on the 1400 DPS site. Looking back at pyfa the 1B figure was just my bad memory at work.


I'd put isk on an oruze nesting out a laser rep legion. Easily. I don't think it could tank most c3 mags either.
Inkarr Hashur
Skyline Federation
#13 - 2013-03-21 20:24:11 UTC
Helene Chenal wrote:
Inkarr Hashur wrote:
Edit: actually no, I'd still hesitate on the 1400 DPS site. Looking back at pyfa the 1B figure was just my bad memory at work.


I'd put isk on an oruze nesting out a laser rep legion. Easily. I don't think it could tank most c3 mags either.


You'd lose the ISK then because I solo oruze without capping out. Now, did I do it leaving one of my reps off? I can't remember. I know I don't even need both for that low DPS site. Anyway I haven't even upgraded my cap control circuit yet. Its really not that big a deal.
Helene Chenal
Offensive Upholder
#14 - 2013-03-21 20:27:12 UTC
Inkarr Hashur wrote:
Helene Chenal wrote:
Inkarr Hashur wrote:
Edit: actually no, I'd still hesitate on the 1400 DPS site. Looking back at pyfa the 1B figure was just my bad memory at work.


I'd put isk on an oruze nesting out a laser rep legion. Easily. I don't think it could tank most c3 mags either.


You'd lose the ISK then because I solo oruze without capping out. Now, did I do it leaving one of my reps off? I can't remember. I know I don't even need both for that low DPS site. Anyway I haven't even upgraded my cap control circuit yet. Its really not that big a deal.


Good point, I forgot how little DPS that site does. You're pretty stable with only one repper running. Doesn't help OP though - unless he gets the isk for a T3. Knowing OP personally, I'd say logging on and participating in group isk making might have solved that problem.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#15 - 2013-03-21 20:31:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Helene Chenal wrote:
Inkarr Hashur wrote:
Edit: actually no, I'd still hesitate on the 1400 DPS site. Looking back at pyfa the 1B figure was just my bad memory at work.


I'd put isk on an oruze nesting out a laser rep legion. Easily. I don't think it could tank most c3 mags either.


With mindlinked armor links you can make a legion that tanks comfortably over 1400dps with enough cap stability you'll never get neuted out aslong as you get on with killing the sleepers. My main concern with that kinda fit tho is it will take quite a lot longer to kill sleeper battleships than a tengu would even tho it can kill frigs and cruisers stupidly fast.


EDIT: Tho if your running links you may be better off just putting that char in a ship that can be in the site killing stuff too to make it even quicker :S
Malkev
Tribal Liberation Force
#16 - 2013-03-21 20:46:25 UTC
Inkarr Hashur wrote:
Helene Chenal wrote:


I'd put isk on an oruze nesting out a laser rep legion. Easily. I don't think it could tank most c3 mags either.


You'd lose the ISK then because I solo oruze without capping out. Now, did I do it leaving one of my reps off? I can't remember. I know I don't even need both for that low DPS site. Anyway I haven't even upgraded my cap control circuit yet. Its really not that big a deal.

Confirming, never had problems with range/tank.

Legion is great for C3s, but it doesn't make soloing any less boring. Fly with a group.
Inkarr Hashur
Skyline Federation
#17 - 2013-03-21 20:53:45 UTC
Helene Chenal wrote:
Inkarr Hashur wrote:
Helene Chenal wrote:
Inkarr Hashur wrote:
Edit: actually no, I'd still hesitate on the 1400 DPS site. Looking back at pyfa the 1B figure was just my bad memory at work.


I'd put isk on an oruze nesting out a laser rep legion. Easily. I don't think it could tank most c3 mags either.


You'd lose the ISK then because I solo oruze without capping out. Now, did I do it leaving one of my reps off? I can't remember. I know I don't even need both for that low DPS site. Anyway I haven't even upgraded my cap control circuit yet. Its really not that big a deal.


Good point, I forgot how little DPS that site does. You're pretty stable with only one repper running. Doesn't help OP though - unless he gets the isk for a T3. Knowing OP personally, I'd say logging on and participating in group isk making might have solved that problem.

My goal is Frontier database http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=UnsecuredFrontierDatabase

I think I'll have to put that one mag site on the shelf until I know more about my ship's limits. And my willingness to invest in my ship.
Mortrius
Reckless-Endangerment
Manifesto.
#18 - 2013-03-21 22:35:44 UTC
Thank you all for the replies! So obviously Caldari are freaking awesome for Wormholes, which I have understood. Unfortunately, when I began training a long time ago, I didn't go for Caldari - and I'm not exactly able to make the switch in short time.

That being said, I'm hearing that the Legion is awesome - any fittings?
It would also seem that the Zealot would be really good with the right fitting, am I correct? I know I heard of some guy who used to solo a lot of C3s before the neut changes, but I haven't heard anything about after all of the changes.
Helene Chenal
Offensive Upholder
#19 - 2013-03-21 22:47:01 UTC
Mortrius wrote:
Thank you all for the replies! So obviously Caldari are freaking awesome for Wormholes, which I have understood. Unfortunately, when I began training a long time ago, I didn't go for Caldari - and I'm not exactly able to make the switch in short time.

That being said, I'm hearing that the Legion is awesome - any fittings?
It would also seem that the Zealot would be really good with the right fitting, am I correct? I know I heard of some guy who used to solo a lot of C3s before the neut changes, but I haven't heard anything about after all of the changes.


I seriously doubt you could after the neutrino changes of almost two years ago. It's not even close to the legion in the tank department. Also, I told you when you joined MTCI to train Caldari if you were serious about WH PVE. Matter of fact, I came up with a skill plan at the time that put 0 sp toons in c3 capable drake in 3-4 weeks. It's not too late :p
Mortrius
Reckless-Endangerment
Manifesto.
#20 - 2013-03-21 22:52:12 UTC
Hah, yes, I recall now. It's been quite a long time since I've seen you though, thank you for jogging my memory :D What's your C3-capable Drake skillplan then? Though I will say, I'm still interested in running armor in wormholes for the time being.
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