Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Bring out your dead! *ding* *ding* bring out your dead!

I can't comment on battleships other than to say that they still seem to be overshadowed by battlecruisers for most purposes (a much shorter train and substantially lower cost gives you ~1/2-2/3 of a bs) and that dedicated EWAR BS is a waste (I'd prefer to keep support hulls small).

Attack battlecruisers need a substantial mobility reduction, and you may want to take away the Talos' drones and/or tracking bonus.

This is probably going to be unpopular but I don't think the Scorpion should be an ECM boat.

Why?

Well because it doesn't really make sense, in order to make it equal across the EWAR types you're going to need one for each, but who really thinks a Battleship that uses Target Painters makes sense? Or Sensor Damps?

Ignore the game mechanics for a moment and just think of the concept. A BATTLEship that doesn't really shoot anything, instead it sits there and just messes with people's ability to lock, shoot or in the case of TPs, improves the damage of everyone else.

To me these roles in a BS fleet would be provided by specialist but tough T2 cruisers (or battlecruiers). At the moment if I want to take an ECM ship on a fleet, and I don't want to die instantly I take a Scorpion. However if there was a Heavy Assault Cruiser EWAR variant, or even a battlecruiser ewar variant, you could take that instead.

This means your EWAR ships will have higher resists and small sig size then your mainline ships, but will be slightly more agile and faster but perhaps less buffer (though probably similar EHP) and less slots. This prevents someone from taking a fleet of damping EWAR battleships and literally just stopping you from ever hitting them with your guns and provides a balancing factor. You could take out a battleship's EWAR support using a smaller sized support fleet for example.

Make the Scorpion use blasters or missiles and end the fact it's the odd one out.

I think the battleships also need to stick to concepts seen in earlier ships for that race. So the geddon would seem a natural progression for a player who likes using the Omen, and the Abbadon would seem a natural progression for someone who uses the maller etc.

I think that Amarr has huge problems with capacitor usage. Especially for Large lasers. Please this screenshot:

Capacitor usage

Do you this is it normal? Or may be Large lasers required some capacitor usage boost? Why does Amarr Battleships need cap booster for fire only?????

Cap usage for Large lasers must be decreased on 40%. Also bonus for Oracle, Apocalypse, and Armageddon on capacitor usage must be replaced on any useful. For example Optimal for Oracle, Tracking for Armageddon (attack BC) and Damage for Apocalypse (Sniper).

Caldari BS need a major rework.

The Rokh is fine honestly, its a shield blaster boat with all the numbers seemingly balanced (Except for its capacitor).

The Raven needs to gain a mid and lose a low, and cruise missiles/torpedos need a rework. Torpedos need more range, and slightly less damage explosion/more explosion velocity to make them more on par with damage application from gunboats and drone boats. Cruise missiles are near being "balanced", but the anemic damage output of them makes every other BS 10x more viable.

Scorpion could become a combat ship, but then it treads on the feet of either the Rokh or Raven, so leaving it where it is, is fine. But perhaps a slot rework? Or lowering the ECM bonus a little and adding a damage/tank bonus?

The reality is that the Raven needs love and then everyone will be happy.




Otherwise, the Hyperion needs more fitting.
The Geddon could use slightly better capacitor.
The Tempest could use more base armor since it is the flimsiest of BS.
Typhoon could use more "focus". -1 Turret Slot and +1 missile slot would make skilling into the Typhoon less of a 1 year ordeal. And it could help to gain a mid-slot if you wish to keep the "Shield/Missile" minmatar focus going.

Maelstrom is okay, but with Combat Links being nerfed, the Maelstrom will find itself without a use unless it gains a Mid-Slot and loses a Low-slot.

Just my opinions as someone who spends half his day staring at EFT numbers and thinking "What-If" with half my fits.

100% agree. Apoc is honestly the best Amarr BS.
Great tank, awesome application, good damage.

Please stop homogenizing every single ship in Eve. Yes, ships with split weapons systems do take more training and skill to use, but they offer some excellent flexibility that single-weapon platforms don't have.

Not every ship needs to be instantly, 100% accessible and effective from day one.

(Yes, I'm still bitter about the poor Merlin)

Please don't make the pirate and faction BSs obsolete the way that has happened for most of the pirate/navy frigs and, to a lesser extent, cruisers.

If any balance changes overlap with exisiting pirate/faction BSs please carry them over and /or give them other bonuses so that there remains a reason for flying them that is not showing off.

Good luck and congratulations on the new job.

An interesting idea. I hadn't thought of this, though I suppose it was driven out of my mind by Fozzie's tendency to reduce tank and increase DPS. The command ship/HIC/T3 pilots might not have to fear as much for their tanks when they get hit with the nerf rebalance bat if battleships head to a place where their raw staying power is still superior (though the Abaddon is in a pretty comfortable place, tank-wise).



This is what I dream of, but do not dare to hope for.

i agree i think all the faction and pirate ships need to have a role besides being slightly better here and there.
And that T1 bonuses need to be kept in line and fairly minimum.