Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Define "quite weak" please, because even if a 100kehp buffer is on the low end, it's not really weak ; and armor rep setup are definitely not weak.

Note: Only the Talos has drone bay , I really think its fair to give drone bay to the rest of The Atack Battlecruisers.

Give drones to Oracle, Naga and Tornado. and that makes it even.

It still dies faster in a normal combat scenario (where you can expect on the range of 1k dps) then an abaddon would.... that is the point..

it is not.. Remember as I said.. only 6 slots. The other armro tankign battleships have more slots to make a bettter tank.

Simply the hyperion that is supposed to be a high dps with tanking ship cannot do both due to lack of low slots. Anybattleship taht does not bring 2 damage mods (scorpion exception) is a partial fail.

Lol you are REALLY thinking in terms of SOLO combat? LOOOOOOLLL

Omg I pity you .. Omg.. so clueless. Do you think that solo combat is even remotely common enough to be used as parameter for balance?

Everytime you brig a battleship into a REAL FIGHT, not EFT fight, you will face way more than 1200 dps.

Bouh,
You can't balance ships based upon 'solo' anymore, which is why it is important to look at the whole 'doctrine' picture when considering balance.

When you do this, it's clear the Hyperion is the biggest problem with the Gallente doctrine right now.

yup also nerf the hurricane as it is way more used than the drake

I don't need your pitty, thank you, but you should be careful with what you are saying : *you* bring that 1000dps thing, which is solo or very small gang dps level.

Anyway, ever heard about those myrmidon or sleipnir tanking whole flotilla ? Hyperion will do that just better.

So I reask my question : what kind of numbers are you expecting from a good active tank ? LAAR + 2LAR Hyperion already goes to 1400ehp/s (no bonus/boost). How many more would save active tanking in itself ? For comparison, one guardian (4rep) gives 1142ehp/s to a hellcat, something you get with LAAR+LAR Hyperion.

Hence, the only "solution" to the Hyperion "problem" is to through away this bonus and make the Hyperion another ship, despite the fact that another Hyperion would only be a better or worse another ship (be it the Abaddon, the Rokh or the Megathron).

The Hyperion may lack some powergrid, but most of the other concerns are metagame problems that nothing done to the Hyperion itself can solve.

Gabriel, reread what I wrote here please.

As for the active tank bonus, the Maelstrom work with it, so the Hyperion can work with one. Again, gallente problem, and Hyperion is the representative for this, is a problem of the doctrine not satisfying players, because they do have a doctrine, it's just different from caldari and amarr ones. Gallente would shine at very long or very short range, not the ranges current doctrines work at. That don't mean gallente ships don't have any purpose.

In the end, TE nerf is a good thing for gallente doctrines. A buff to information warfare links (or even EWAR in general) could be a good thing too.

Despite this being senseless, the first Hyperion I talked about, with one LAAR, tanking 625ehp/s, was with 2 MFS.

Otherwise, define "reasonable", or define the use case for your Hyperion.

PS : After checking, I found a Hyperion fit with LAAR+LAR, 2MFS, tanking 933ehp/s.

The Maelstrom work with a shield boosting bonus. That mean that the slot layout and the weapons used prevail on the bonus.

What would a falloff bonus achieve on the Hyperion ? *Nothing* because amarr and minmatar ship are already better at shooting at short long range, so an Abaddon, an Apocalypse or an AC Maelstrom would still be both better than a falloff bonused Hyperion, because blasters are NOT a long short range weapon.
What would a change to the slot layout achieve on the Hyperion ? That would turn it into a copy of another ship, and between the Typhoon, the Abaddon, the Apocalypse, and the Megathron, you have the choice already for 8/4/7 layout.

But talking about the Megathron : this one is the fleet, buffer tanking ship, yet, the Hyperion get a better buffer when using the same number of slot. Megathron have an easier time fitting railguns though. They are pretty much balanced in the end.

To me, Megathron is the railgun/fleet BS ; Hyperion is a blaster/small gang BS, until someone find a use to high utility ship in fleet (something I believe possible). But until then, why should we remove these options ?

The Megathron suffer from the comparison to caldari and amarr hull. It's selling point ? Very long range armor tanking, a thing of the past unfortunately ; yet, with ABC and MJD, that could come again. It's second selling point is very high short range damage, but tier2 stats, lack of resist bonus and very short range make the Abaddon a tough oponent.

So again, forget this armor rep bonus on the Hyperion, that's not a problem in itself. Hyperion already have qualities : 8 hybrid guns (be it blasters or railguns) with very high utility armor tank. If there is a problem, it's with these qualities not being favored in the metagame.

But nothing says that gallente doctrine is not viable. In fact, gallente doctrine may already be in use with armor fleet relying on EWAR in their midslots (T3 & AHAC mostly) : this is the gallente doctrine. It just appear that BS are not prefered for this tactic.