Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I agree with the last post. Attack BC's are pretty good to be honest.

The Oracle is only shy on a little CPU as it can be hard to fit.

The Naga is spot on

The Talos is the only one that could potentially get a nerf to its ability to deal damage to small stuff. I would just remove its drones. You could also consider giving it a fall off bonus instead of a tracking bonus.

The Tornado is spot on.

Giving ewar bonuses to something not T2 in regards to webs/points/neuts isn't going to happen. It would completely or almost completely negate the use of recons on the battlefield when you've got t1 ships that can do the same thing.

The only way you're going to get dedicated ewar bships of this kind is when they re-split the blops trees (cant come soon enough) and make attack and ewar/bridging t2 battleships.

I'd expect the logical price for a bship with these features in the t2 range to be atleast in the 600-900 mil range much like current blops prices.

The naga and nado are the main ones that appear in blobs, mostly because of arty and rails. They should both lose some lock range, and maybe a little bit of align time

Amarr: I somewhat agree that amarr BS are boring especially the geddon and the baddon, since they do the same thing, but please dont turn the geddon into a drone boat, the apoc is the sniper it have its own role and its already a damn good sniper arguably the best.

Caldari: scorpion is fine, rokh is fine a bit more mobilty and cap wouldnt hurt tho, raven 5 lows are too much 4 will do the job, move 1 low to a mid also the 2 utility highs are almost useless it doesnt have the fittings to use them so this is another problem.

Gallente: domi is totally fine, mega i think its good enough but if you guys wanna give the thing a better speed mobility just pay attention to balance it properly not like the thorax in the cruiser class. Hype dont have enough fittings for a decent fit a full rack of ion, 2 heavy cap booster and 2 large rep should be the minimum, then change the rep bonus to a 10% or give it 7 high with a rof bonus and a 7th low (model would look bad with only7 turrets in the nose).

Minmatar: phoon keep the split weapons but make it more focused on missile, 5 launcher 3 turrets and 125m of drones but change the bonus to 5% missile rof and 7,5% to target painter effectiveness. Mael is fine.

Now the tempest thats a tricky one for a double dps bonus ship the dps its still crap, it had its use as an oversized BC but nomore because of the tornado. The bonuses screams gankboat so let it be change the damage bonus to a 7,5% at least it would have an advantage in alpha over the other bs and a good dps or 7 turret even if id hate to lose that double neut, please no falloff bonus bullshit

Regarding battleships:

- Slight EHP increase overall, especially for combat BSs.
- Get rid of the reper bonus on the Hyperion. Falloff bonus is a good candidate to replace it.
- Make the Megathron rely less on drone damage.
- Tell the art guys to take a long and serious look at the Dominix.

That's completely wrong. There is a lot of fashion effects and FOTM.

Most people tends to stick to general consensus and accepted ideas ; it takes an independant, excentric person to do new things (in this case, a preferably good and renowned pvper) and make people accept it as good ideas.

I agree I loved the old incarnation of the drake, but even I was ready for it to have a total re-evaluation like the prophecy got, instead it was tweaked into suckyiness... All it has got going for it now is a strong tank. An idea was mooted at the time that the ship would have a rof bonus in exchange for losing it's bonus to resists. I wish they had done that.

Hi Rise. Congrats on your new post and best success on your projects.

To start, Don't Nerf the Talos. Yes it's a tiny bit OP up close. However, Up Close is where everyone else fears to tread and where no one else has to go to apply dps. Naga, Nado, and Oracle can sit at 40 k aligned and drop damage with a high level of immunity and GTFO if things get spooky. Talos doesn't really have that luxury. Leave it alone. LoL, it's about the only time i can remember anyone accusing Gal of having a single OP hull. The reward of dropping big DPS is the risk that you have to do it in someone's face. That's fair.

Overall the Tier 3 team deserves huge props. Each of the hulls has developed a reputation for excellence in one or more ways and have been enthusiastically adopted by every segment of EvE.

At the risk of being hated the only thing to balance them might be to loose a turret to tone down their dps a touch. ( if you do, remember to trim a bit of their build sheets m k )

As to BS's.

Scorp : PITA. Everyone hates e-war when it's against you, loves it when it works for you. Being the only one is a bit lop sided but I'd rather see it nerfed than add an e-war boat to each race to even it out. If you want the tactical advantage of shutting someone down then put the isk on the line with a recon.

Rokh: A bit Op but not horribly so. Leave it alone.

Raven: Waaay to slow. Needs a big speed buff to even consider being viable up close with torps or being a useful small gang ship.

Amar: What ever you do Please don't make one another unbreakable brick. The Maller and Proph are silly atm. A BS sized version would just be to much.


Galente:

Lets start with the most overdue part. Good gawd they be Fugly. It's not just that the Domi looks like a space turd, but the color scheme has been atrocious since i started playing. At first it was mostly green which was meh, compared to the Gold, Blue, Bronze (Rust ). Over time it's morphed into the out of focus patchwork mess we have today. Supposedly Galente are French descendants. Use a Red, White, Blue scheme with a big emphasis on white as a base color with heavier Fire Engine Red accents in the T2 versions. Just a tiny bit of love here would be appreciated.


Dominix : Nothing wrong with it. The only thing i might be tempted to change is the drone bonus combo. ATM it's damage and hit points. I'm somewhat tempted to ask for it to be changed to damage and speed like the algos. PvE'ers can give some love to Drone Durability Rigs if they want more buffer, PvP'ers will loose a bit of safety margin but see DPS applied on target which overall seems like a fair trade.

Hype: Worst drone bay of all the Tier 3's and it's Galente. I've often thought that the Hyperion would have been better off being a tier 1. The rep bonus was better for noobs and the domi needed alot more sp to be flown properly. Even though tiericide is meant to move away from this, that's the general direction I'd take. Nerf the Hype to a tier 1 level pg. Drop a high and balance it so that it can fit a rack of 325's or ion's and a large rep. Leave the mids as is for boosters or rechargers and voila, great new entry level BS for pve or pvp. People who paid big isk for the BPO will squawk for a bit, but not once they start selling x 10 of them. Give the Domi Tier 2 like Pg and everyone's happy.

Megathron : Overall it's fine. It would be better with +50m2 drone bay and a tiny bit of pg and cpu. It would be a viable and desirable ship in every fleet concept with a resist bonus. Idealy I think it would be most useful and popular as the top of the line Galente gunship. 8 high's all guns, Damage and Tracking bonus, +1 low to equal the babboon and a bit of speed and agility for when it's in brawler mode to get on target.


GL and looking forward to summer.

i agree that tier3 dps is out of place for the size of its hull when you consider they have the same range as a class above and are better at applying the dps aswell a turret drop would be a good place to start they need to be more akin to bc's than bs.

scorpion should be changed to the its navy version in style its odd to have a battleship its concept being dps and tank being a support e-war ship and then the raven could be the 4th attack bs it would make more sense.

The geddon is going to be an attack bs like a big omen which makes sense as it is too simlar to the abbadon minus the resis