Player Features and Ideas Discussion

What is your intended target with this change?

Ships with poor jump ranges (BOs & Titans) will suffer more from this.....
Ships like carriers will be much less effected.
And Logistics will be hit the worst!

What happens specifically when your Jump Exhaust is achieved? You can't jump anymore, but can you dock? Cloak? Warp?

I see this mostly stopping massive corp logistics moves: You can't setup a set of cyno's and just move things back and forth between Station A & Station B.... It's like nerfing the subcap portion of fleet projection...

And what about jump bridges? Does this effect non-jump-drive ships utilizing JB networks?

Well the intended target was jump drives themselves.

What will happen when just exhaustion is achieved is quite simple, you can no longer use your jump drive, and just your jump drive. So I wouldn't understand how this would effect mods like cloaking, weapons or warp drive itself.

Also I will agree, logistics will have to work alittle more at their job to provide the need items to their alliance, corps, and pilots of seem to deem fit to hold more space then what they can handle. However this system makes it far from impossible for an alliance to do so.

Also I don't foresee it stopping massive corp logistics in the slightest, for one the exhaust time is 30 minutes(veritable time) it could mean it takes more time to do something at the most, or requires more logistic pilots but I don't foresee it just out right halting logistics.

Also jump bridges are a nerf in themselves, not only does it consume fuel based on the users using it, how many users that are constantly using it, AND the fact it a point A to B jump and no going back (of course a different bridge is required for the way back.) Not to mention you must also have maintaining them. So I don't see why Jump bridge networks requiring this change, not to mention that a jump drive usable ship using a bridge to to throw them isn't using their own engines to jump so in turn I wouldn't understand why they would ah-crew heat in the first place.




Well, First adding a complete engine burnout on the very next jump after max limit could be nice in some opinions but in my own if you are going to do a burn out effect it should have a system in play, like I have already offered an idea on how to do it, for so much damage you acrew to jump drive, you reduce your ship's range. Having a complete burnout will have one of two effects, A the person will never use it unless B happens which is they are in-danger and must jump away right that second if they are going to survive.

As for the sheading off time with Isk seems to me like a unneeded isk sink for just dockable cap ships/blops. This idea might just need to be swept under the rug for the time being ^_^;

As I stated in my post, that the numbers themselves are changeable, I placed them as a placeholder for debate sake, sure you can increase the amount of jumps, by increasing the cap of the cool down timer, or decreasing the amount of time you gain on your cooldown timer as well, or vis-versa to decrease the number of jumps on a ship before it requires it to cool down. I never said that those numbers were permanent, they are fully editable just like anything else here.

Another suggestion someone offered on the first page was instead of making the timer based on the number of jumps, it could be based on the number of lightyears which in turn has it own pluses and problems.

The next thing, was as stated was the target was the jump drives themselves.

But, at the same time none of what you asked.

I might receive a lot of flack for this, but the point is actually targeting alliances, so far many large alliances not only hold ground because they blue all the other large alliances, but because logistics fleet and power projections is...Well...To be frank ~ To easy to a degree. Most alliances can have their defense fleet all based inside the deepest area in their systems, but as soon as someone starts to take something, well all they have to do is load up a few fuel trucks so to speak and just jump drive chain it all the way to the system that is under attack.

Why is this change good for the game, like I said I might just be blowing smoke out of my arse, but it will help ease the pain of force projection when a smaller alliance is attempting to take ground from a bigger alliance, but also will bring in the importance of someone who fully understand logistics, not just say out of the blue. "I need ammo in this system cause our ratters are running out of ammo." Another good thing it could also bring is the importance of blockade runners as being a old blockade runner of the past normally if someone needs something important they would just jump freighter it to them, and the blockade runner was just an expensive....toy.

Of course you may or may not agree with my points, that is up to you. Or you could just out right hate me and call me stupid, wouldn't be the first time I received flak for one of my ideas ^_^;

Well as someone suggested that light years could be solved, but the the amount of time would A have to be increased, or B the amount of time gained per light year decreased, so for argument sake, You can set it so that for every light year you jump can in turn be 3 minutes, so if a ship does a 5 light year jump, that right away can mean that the timer increases to 15 minutes for example, which means that it would be more favorable to already have super caps in that system ahead of time.

Perhaps this change with a rebalancing of the Jump Range of the Ships themselves?
My first suggestion would be to halve the Jump Range of all Capital ships with the exclusion of Jump Freighters

on one hand, I don't think it should be ... but on the other, it has (at full skills) 11 LY range.


I much prefer the idea of "just spread everything out" and keeping the jump ranges the same. As it stands right now, jumping from one system in (roughly) the middle of Aridia, you can hit 5 or 6 other regions in a single jump. Obviously a handful of these systems will border Aridia, but other ones, not so much...

25% is too much. Better would be without such skills. And as ShahFluffers said there are too many must train skills already. Jump Drive Operation V being one of them as it is needed for Jump Drive Calibration I. The latter's perequisite could be changed to JDO IV in my opinion.

Maybe different hulls could have different timers - larger ones having bigger timer thus making black ops reach farthest of systems and titans only the closest. This will encourage alliances to stay with their capitals near their headquarters systems.

BTW I remember seeing a while ago some Pandemic Legion vid on youtube which was of a frapsed fleet of 200 or so carriers going from one end of the map to the other in less than 20ish minutes.

Also you know there are so many problems streaming from the fact that people can reach vast distances so absurdly fast... Few of them being there's a lot of unused null wich has sov just because the big alliances can outblob smaller entities from any distance, null sec industry and trading taking place in high sec etc.

Edit: Excuse me if I made any gramatical mistakes.

I got the impression we were talking about 30 min timer with 5 min increments being added per jump. If we as you'd say have this skill which gives 5% per level to the max amount the timer can reach before your jump drives have to experience the cooldown, that means that every level of this skill will add 1.5 min to the timer. At level 3 you will have 34.5 min and at level 4 you will have 36 min. No one would train level 5 as the increments are 5 minutes per jump and the 1.5 min more that level 5 of this skill would give you will mean nothing. My point is that we're discussing skills about stuff which rules are not defined

Now if the time increments are not per jump but rather per travelled distance then your skill would make sense.

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Skills are never a problem. I haven't played back in the begining of EvE but I've heard that flying a titan was a big deal... Now you can buy a character able to hold or, hell, even fly well a titan for a sum which can be earned without a lot of effort. The determined entities of New Eden are not restricted by skills or resources.

Hard cap on that timer will be a good thing in my opinion.