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Solo Angel Complexes?
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Bringthe Goodfights
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-03-20 05:28:39 UTC
Hi, I'm looking for a ship fit to use to solo Angel's complexes and anomalies specifically something in either the Amarr or Minmatar flavor. I've been considering a Loki as with the fit I made it can easily tank 700 Angels DPS cap stable, but the DPS is only a small 250, so I wanted to reach out to the community to see if someone who's experienced with this can help. Thanks!
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#2 - 2013-03-20 06:22:55 UTC
High, low, or null?
Tiny Tears
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-03-20 06:39:35 UTC
I am also interested in this. Null sec for me. I can fly Minmatar mostly (amarr up to command ships too +t3)
Bringthe Goodfights
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-03-20 14:59:05 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
High, low, or null?


Null, sorry!
Sodohm
Eve Rookies Academy
Eve Rookies United
#5 - 2013-03-20 15:32:50 UTC
I guess a gila could do it, as omni tanking it is quite easy. Do you want a all in one or do you have your own prober ?
Bringthe Goodfights
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-03-20 15:34:59 UTC
Sodohm wrote:
I guess a gila could do it, as omni tanking it is quite easy. Do you want a all in one or do you have your own prober ?


I don't mind probing the sites myself, as I said Minmatar or Amarr would be preferable but if nothing in their line works then I understand.
Sodohm
Eve Rookies Academy
Eve Rookies United
#7 - 2013-03-20 15:38:16 UTC
Problem with amarr is that their damage profile doesnt really suits angels, and i cant see a minnie boat spit up 500 dps while tanking enough. Maybe a HAM legion could do it, but i'm too lazy to try to build something in EFT. Its resist profile would be perfect, though.
amurder Hakomairos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-03-20 15:40:34 UTC
It's not technically minmatar but a Mach can do it
Bringthe Goodfights
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-03-20 15:43:01 UTC
amurder Hakomairos wrote:
It's not technically minmatar but a Mach can do it


Do you have a fit?
amurder Hakomairos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-03-20 16:26:43 UTC  |  Edited by: amurder Hakomairos
Bringthe Goodfights wrote:
amurder Hakomairos wrote:
It's not technically minmatar but a Mach can do it


Do you have a fit?




Highs:
7x 800mm Repeating Artillery II

Mids:
Pith (or Gist) X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Gist X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier (could swap for cap booster if cap is a problem)
Gistum A-Type Adaptive Invuln
Tracking Computer II
Faction/Deadspace AB of your choice (lower cap usage variety)

Lows:
4x Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
2x Domination Tracking Enhancer
Damage Control II (or 3rd TE)

Rigs:
T2 EM and Therm screen reinforcer
T2 Semiconductor Memory Cell or Cap Control Circuit


This is for DED sites and high end anoms
Quontor Zarrkos
Island Monkeys
#11 - 2013-03-21 10:49:49 UTC
Machariel is an option, I would really consider the tengu if you don't want to spend 5 bill on the tank right away. I used a 1-1.5 bill tengu to solo all the complexes supported by a tornado on my alt.

[Tengu, 6launcher max dps]
Ballistic Control System II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Gist C-Type Large Shield Booster
Gist B-Type Explosive Deflection Field
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
10MN Afterburner II
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

-T2 shield boost amp works just fine, I didn't have the skill for it so I put on faction.
-You can use a dissolution sequencer if you put on some extra faction ballistic control systems
-To make this fit powergrid wise, use the genolution implants and the 1% engineering implant
- 671 dps, 900 dps burst tank vs angels and 613 dps sustained tank.
-No need to be capstable, after you kill the webs you don't need your tank.
-In the 8/10, bring precision missiles and overload your tank as needed at the start to kill the webbing frigates
-If you feel you need more cap, upgrade to T2 ccc's, it's not that expensive. I never needed it though.

[Tengu, if you're cheap]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Damage Control II

Large Shield Booster II
Explosive Deflection Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
10MN Afterburner II
Shield Boost Amplifier II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Lower dps (543), almost the same tank (902 dps against angels)
Use this if you really don't want to spend much isk on your exploration ship, will solo all the sites.
You can drop the last faction BCS if you use genolution implants, you'll be capstable with those as well depending on your capacitor skills.

Other than the tengu, gila is a good suggestion. Although I'm no fan of sentries in DED complexes, tengu is easiest and laziest option. Also cheap to lose. Machariel clears faster, but that's not the main issue with DED as you can only find X sites depending on how fast you probe. For anomalies clearing is the priority as there are unlimited sites there.

Angel nullsec sites are really good isk, you can get multiple 1 bill drops from the complexes, even from the 7/10. Also, always do the mineral outpost as it always escalates to part 2 and gistum a-type loot is good. Skip the other escalation complexes, they all suck, that's why you find so many of them.
Kodama Ikari
Thragon
#12 - 2013-03-21 20:22:48 UTC
General comments on angel null plexes: All of the DED's are a cakewalk in a single tengu, with the exception of the final room of the 8/10. Almost all of the unrated plexes seem a step up in difficulty, with significantly more stasis towers and webber frigs than some of the other pirate factions, and at least two have nasty features like stasis towers as the trigger for an additional wave. The first two stages of domination fleet staging point are also easy. I have not checked out the Angel Mineral Acquisition Outpost (the faux-6/10), but if its anything like the serpentis one it has a manageable first stage and a difficult-to-solo second stage.

Angel loot is some of the best, the prop mods are top tier, the shield boosters at the L and X-L size are far more valuable than Pith boosters, and the shield hardeners and SBAs are one meta level below Pith stuff.

If you're doing angels in a shield ship, there is absolutely no reason not to buy a Pith A-type explosive hardener. You'll need at least one expl hardener anyway, and the pith A-types are dirt cheap atm. Federation Navy afterburners are also cheap.

Quontor Zarrkos wrote:
Machariel is an option, I would really consider the tengu if you don't want to spend 5 bill on the tank right away.
[Tengu, 6launcher max dps]
-In the 8/10, bring precision missiles and overload your tank as needed at the start to kill the webbing frigates
-If you feel you need more cap, upgrade to T2 ccc's, it's not that expensive. I never needed it though
-T2 shield boost amp works just fine, I didn't have the skill for it so I put on faction.
all true. Anyone who flies shield at all will train shield management 5 sooner or later, once you do the 1.5% extra boost is not worth the 100mil you spend on the module. Anyway, that's a great fit for that price. Its definitely more burst oriented with the large booster. Since the fit does rely on having a strong burst tank while killing frigs, if I were to adopt something similar (I currently use a 3/7/6 slot tengu w/ a pithum c-type med booster), I would consider changing the rigs to t2 rigor, t2 ccc/smc, t1 ccc/smc. My strategy in the 8/10 has been to load faction missiles and volley the stasis towers first and try to get a head start on the frigates before they close range. I might change up my strategy though.

Just for kicks, I checked out the effectiveness of precisions vs faction against an arch gistii thug http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=16894 with sig=28m and orbit velocity = 450. I found that with no skills, the precisions do about 15% more dps, and with max skills, 5% hardwires, and a t2 rigor, they do about 6% better. If the frig gets webbed or target painted, both do better, but the edge that precisions have drops to 3%.

Some first-hand PI tips