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Anti-Ganker Barge Fits.

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Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha
Vigilante Carebears
#81 - 2013-03-26 19:10:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha
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Kabela Khan
Doomheim
#82 - 2013-03-27 22:34:08 UTC
Anyone who is wiling impart knowledge to anyone in EVE (Both old and new Pilots) are greatly appreciated.Idea

My friend who plays, is a maniac Researcher, Miner, Production, etc Evil (in NPC Corporation) and other things science related tried out fits as needed.

Was not only cap stable, but able to defend against three gankers in various racial cruisers (who apparently did not know how to gank in the first place Shocked ) enough to get away. Lol

Always align, watch local, and in some cases, D-Scan. If you try and fail at fits, read the first thread as it tells you what you (maybe) lack in skills. Attention

Thumbs up for the thread.
Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#83 - 2013-03-28 02:30:27 UTC
yes please fit all those expensive mods on your mining barges and exhumers. It will only make some people.. *whistle* want to gank you even more just on principle.

want to avoid getting ganked? pay attention, look up the local area.... are you near lowsec, check who lives there, ask other miners who the regular gankers are.. pay attention to local, see a small frig flittering around the ice field or combat probes on the scanner. time to get ready to leave.

oh so you are afk? though. And yes I do mine as well, if i get ganked i wont worry to much.

but seeing the same people in my crosshairs in my catalysts day after day makes me wonder what people are doing.
Charlie Jacobson
#84 - 2013-03-28 05:11:55 UTC
Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha wrote:
Simo for CSM:

Please login and vote.

http://community.eveonline.com/community/csm/candidates

Fly Safe.


Nope. You are posting terrible advice, and ignoring everyone who explains why your methodology sucks. I would log in just to downvote you if I could.

I support James 315 and the New Order of Highsec
Ginger Barbarella
#85 - 2013-03-29 17:32:02 UTC
I'm not going to comment on the specific fits here, but I do have some common sense thoughts on the matter. First, guage your fits against the activity you see in your area. If your area sees a lot of ganks (The Forge or the Citadel, for example), then you might want to consider spending more in isk and training time to get a fit that's more likely to survive a poorly-executed gank. If you're out in the middle of nowhere, not so much. For the most part (yes, painting with a broad brush here) gankers are lazy, and will stay close to their favorite hubs or areas of operation, and will not go 10-12 jumps out of their way for a kill. There's ALWAYS a kill close by. It's important to use this as your first goal post to decide how to fit.

Ask yourself if that 25mil rig or COSMOS shield is going to really help on your Retriever against four gank-fit dessies. Look at the optimal DPS for them, compare against your boosted and non-boosted fit profiles (pyfa, EFT, etc). If you're in the red, just go with some basic stuff. There's no need for faction or deadspace modules if your skills on low in the core, and you're just wasting money to do so. If your fleet boss demands you ship-up from your Retriever or Skiff to a Mack or Hulk (much like the nullies demand shipping up to something they won't reimburse when it dies), maybe you need to find someone else to fly with.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha
Vigilante Carebears
#86 - 2013-03-29 23:18:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha
Edited.
Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha
Vigilante Carebears
#87 - 2013-03-31 17:53:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha
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Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#88 - 2013-04-02 19:54:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Drago Shouna
^^^^ They are all useless fits..if your gonna mine in the above or thinking about it just use a Venturer..Just use MLU 1's a survey scanner and strip miners with whatever crystals you need..DON'T carry a hold full of T2 crystals just waiting to be lost, carry what you need for that run only...There is no such thing as a gank proof barge or exhumer!!! 10 Hob 2's? what a load of bollocks. If you ever have to use 10 scout drones your dead anyway, take 5 mining drones and 5 scouts yes...if your a miner..mine. In fact I use 3 hobs, 2 salvage and 5 mining drones...much more sensible. In a Retriever use 2 Hob 1 Salvage and 2 mining if your in 0.8 space or below..1.0/0.9 use 5 mining drones...when 5 guys warp in determined to kill you your going to die regardless of the fit, just make it as profitless as possible for them.

Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..." " They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."

Welcome to EVE.
Inkarr Hashur
Skyline Federation
#89 - 2013-04-02 20:26:46 UTC
Drago Shouna wrote:
^^^^ They are all useless fits..if your gonna mine in the above or thinking about it just use a Venturer..Just use MLU 1's a survey scanner and strip miners with whatever crystals you need..DON'T carry a hold full of T2 crystals just waiting to be lost, carry what you need for that run only...There is no such thing as a gank proof barge or exhumer!!! 10 Hob 2's? what a load of bollocks. If you ever have to use 10 scout drones your dead anyway, take 5 mining drones and 5 scouts yes...if your a miner..mine. In fact I use 3 hobs, 2 salvage and 5 mining drones...much more sensible. In a Retriever use 2 Hob 1 Salvage and 2 mining if your in 0.8 space or below..1.0/0.9 use 5 mining drones...when 5 guys warp in determined to kill you your going to die regardless of the fit, just make it as profitless as possible for them.


I like how long your post is when you're trying to prove a mack with no mining lasers is bad.

Yet you didn't point out its a mack without mining lasers.

The guy's just one dedicated troll.
Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#90 - 2013-04-02 21:37:27 UTC
Inkarr Hashur wrote:
I like how long your post is when you're trying to prove a mack with no mining lasers is bad.

Yet you didn't point out its a mack without mining lasers.

The guy's just one dedicated troll.


Yeah, we're well past the point where he could just be stupid and he's definitely in full on troll mode.

/he may very well be stupid too
Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha
Vigilante Carebears
#91 - 2013-04-02 21:45:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha
Edited.
Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2013-04-02 21:54:51 UTC
Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha wrote:
I think it's hilarious.

The first fit I post that is, in actuallity, practically worthless.

And its attacked, again like the rest, but completely for the wrong reasons.

Wow.



I think it speaks more to what we think of your fittings in general that we don't need to nitpick how poor they are anymore, or how ridiculous the implants you suggest are.

In short, you're fittings are a joke and you're little more than a forum troll at this point. Keep running for CSM 2013.
ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#93 - 2013-04-02 21:59:51 UTC
Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha wrote:
If you feel like getting the last laugh on a ganker, swatting one that won't go away, or just getting some kills with your barge in high sec.

This is just for fun and is very expensive.

- Requires level 5 on everything on the first page.
- Requires Inherent Implants 'Squire' Engineering EG-606.
-This is the only way to achive this without another type of faction mod that reduces powergrid, such as a 'pike' small EMP Smartbomb I'

Mackinaw - The Action Jackson Edition.

EHP: 30,924
Shields: 5,859
Armor: 2160
Hull: 2520
Resistances:
Shields: 72/73/80/84
Armor: 75/60/54/44
Hull: 60/60/60/60

High Power
2x Small 'Vehemence' Shockwave Charge

Medium Power
1x Medium 'Canyon' Shield Extender
2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
1x Supplemental EM Ward Amplifier

Low Power
1x True Sansha Energize Adaptive Nano Membrane
1x Damage Control II

Rig Slots
2x Medium Core Defense Field Extender

Drone Bay
10x Hobgoblin II

Tip: This fit also works really well on mackinaws for mining tanking as well. Supplement expensive mods with tech 4 or use a 'pike' small EMP Smartbomb I' it has a lower grid req. Even with the implant, you should have 0.4 powergrid remaining, exactly.


Hi,

Fixed your post slightly - Mackinaw's only have two high slots.

Onwards!

[b]ISD Suvetar Captain/Commando Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department[/b]
Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#94 - 2013-04-02 22:11:19 UTC
It was pointed at all the fits, the one above me was just a coincidence...what's more pertinent is the fact that you didn't disagree with what I said about my feelings on fitting Macks and Retrievers.

Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..." " They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."

Welcome to EVE.
Inkarr Hashur
Skyline Federation
#95 - 2013-04-02 22:14:43 UTC
Drago Shouna wrote:
It was pointed at all the fits, the one above me was just a coincidence...what's more pertinent is the fact that you didn't disagree with what I said about my feelings on fitting Macks and Retrievers.

Well yes, everything you said was correct. I'm just saying, he's a troll.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#96 - 2013-04-03 01:42:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha wrote:


Mackinaw - The Action Jackson Edition.

EHP: 30,924
Shields: 5,859
Armor: 2160
Hull: 2520
Resistances:
Shields: 72/73/80/84
Armor: 75/60/54/44
Hull: 60/60/60/60

High Power
2x Small 'Vehemence' Shockwave Charge

Medium Power
1x Medium 'Canyon' Shield Extender
2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
1x Supplemental EM Ward Amplifier

Low Power
1x True Sansha Energize Adaptive Nano Membrane
1x Damage Control II

Rig Slots
2x Medium Core Defense Field Extender

Drone Bay
10x Hobgoblin II



The stupid is strong with this one.

110mil of modules to achieve a substantially substandard ehp fit, and weapons that cannot be fired if there is a warpin ship without concording you, cannot be fired without blowing up your own drones, and cannot be fired if the gankers arrive with a looting ship because you'll concord yourself on it, and cannot be fired untill _all_ the gankers open fire, because you'll concord yourself, and cannot reach arty thrashers.

Also, making the drop expectation be 50mil+ before salvage, means a 5 man group can pop you with cheap fits and an expectation of profit.
Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha
Vigilante Carebears
#97 - 2013-04-03 02:39:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha
Edited.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#98 - 2013-04-03 04:12:08 UTC
Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha wrote:
Not the best fit ever, agreed. However, it can be used in certain ways. And I said it was for fun and expensive, but you guys never include any valuable information or corrections. So, I don't give a damn.



The actual scenario where it achieves anything fun seems impossibly remote.

Small smart bombs do in the region of 10 dps each with full skills. There is simply no fight that they can influence, in fact they are so weak that about all you can say for them, is that they'll probably fail to kill your drones before concord arrives.
Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2013-04-03 07:31:01 UTC
Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha wrote:
If you feel like getting the last laugh on a ganker, swatting one that won't go away, or just getting some kills with your barge in high sec.

This is just for fun and is very expensive.

- Requires level 5 on everything on the first page.
- Requires Inherent Implants 'Squire' Engineering EG-606.
-This is the only way to achive this without another type of faction mod that reduces powergrid, such as a 'pike' small EMP Smartbomb I'

Mackinaw - The Action Jackson Edition....
Well, you are correct in saying it is expensive... I will give you that.

'Squire' Engineering EG-606
Jita IV - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant 545,997,900.00 1 2013-05-03

Blink
Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#100 - 2013-04-03 08:23:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Ersahi Kir
ISD Suvetar wrote:
Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha wrote:
If you feel like getting the last laugh on a ganker, swatting one that won't go away, or just getting some kills with your barge in high sec.

This is just for fun and is very expensive.

- Requires level 5 on everything on the first page.
- Requires Inherent Implants 'Squire' Engineering EG-606.
-This is the only way to achive this without another type of faction mod that reduces powergrid, such as a 'pike' small EMP Smartbomb I'

Mackinaw - The Action Jackson Edition.

EHP: 30,924
Shields: 5,859
Armor: 2160
Hull: 2520
Resistances:
Shields: 72/73/80/84
Armor: 75/60/54/44
Hull: 60/60/60/60

High Power
2x Small 'Vehemence' Shockwave Charge

Medium Power
1x Medium 'Canyon' Shield Extender
2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
1x Supplemental EM Ward Amplifier

Low Power
1x True Sansha Energize Adaptive Nano Membrane
1x Damage Control II

Rig Slots
2x Medium Core Defense Field Extender

Drone Bay
10x Hobgoblin II

Tip: This fit also works really well on mackinaws for mining tanking as well. Supplement expensive mods with tech 4 or use a 'pike' small EMP Smartbomb I' it has a lower grid req. Even with the implant, you should have 0.4 powergrid remaining, exactly.


Hi,

Fixed your post slightly - Mackinaw's only have two high slots.

Onwards!


I think the typo was that it was a hulk fit, not a mack fit. The ehp and powergrid numbers match the hulk, and the 3 high 2 low kind of seals the deal.

But since I have some time lets talk about how bad this fit is. Not how stupid the idea of the fit is, but the actual execution on the stupid idea.

The following fit has more DPS (~14%), more EH(~9-10%)P, costs less to build (all modules + rigs cost less than your single shield extender), and doesn't require a 600m+ engineering implant (no implants necessary!):

[High Power]
3xSmart Bomb II's

[Medium Power]
2x Invulnerability Field II's
1x EM ward Field II
1x Medium shield extender II

[Low Power]
1x Damage Control
1x Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

[Rigs]
2x Shield Extender Rigs

So your eft warrior skills are pretty terrible to begin with. Noob tip: for ships with low powergrid auxiliary power cores give a ton of powergrid

But here's the real problem: you have never used this fit. The fit doesn't do what it's advertised to do, it just doesn't work. You're not going to mess with gankers with that. It puts out 210 damage every 7.5 seconds, so if a gank lasts for 22.5 second you're only going to put out 840 damage (that's with my fit, not your 180 DPS/7.5 second crap fit). 840 damage won't even break the shields of a catalyst. If you caught a ganker in a pod with this ship you would have to cycle the smart bombs twice to kill them, so it can't even be used as a pod disposer.

Stop posting fits you don't use yourself. If you had used this fit you would've realized it accomplishes nothing. There is nothing redeeming about this, and makes your bid for CSM 2013 even more laughable.