Science & Industry

I don't think he was given any credit. He actually held a public fleet in Nakugard for well over a year, every day, long before he ran for CSM and made a name for himself by helping hundreds of people. He didn't need this thread for that, I believe he created this thread simply to help people from being ganked, that much is obvious. I seem to be one of the only people in this thread without some form of mental dilapidation, because all of his barges actually are balanced, in the truest sense of the word. He simply left it open for people to choose from a long list of barges presented, however, I am aware that people like yourself obviously have very limited reading comprehension and critical thinking skills, so it is no suprise that they give themselves "too much credit" by signing on alts and liking their own posts until they have thousands of likes.


The barges in this thread (and i've read the entire thing) are superior to everything else presented by anyone else. That is impossible to miss unless this thread simply was not read or not understood, in which case your opinion is invalid. Which it has been from the start since you said 'making suggestions' to people was 'horseshit'.

500 dps to 700 dps on a catalyst? Completely forgetting to factor in the resistances of said barges, it rapes damage on a catalyst. Since gankers formally use anti-matter or void, it destroys the damage they do to most of these barges by eliminating 80+% of the elemental damage done by them. But i'm sure you didn't mean to miscalculate and leave that fact out to mislead people. EHP matters very little as it does not factor possible damage done or training of the attacker into the equation.



I for one do not want a survey scanner, I actually cut my lasers halfway through and am not concerned with time spared. As I afk most of the time, picking a fat rock and letting my lasers run. The fit you displayed is a modified version of what simo already presented in this thread, many, many, times over. Plagiarism is the height of stupidity, and since you do it shamelessly, you are a sad sack trying to, once again, give yourself too much credit by stealing out of someone elses think tank.



Your admiration, would be like a boil inside the anus of a man who neither needs it, or wants his material stolen. You don't understand resistances or EHP (estimated hit points) which, once again, does not factor in any external factors like the damage done by the other incoming ship, implants, or the training of the other individual. It is actually flawed in that it can't possible know how much incoming damage would be present to make a guesstimation of the actually HP of the ship. Using that as a reference point is rediculous at best.



He completely explained the principles behind ganking, as did many others, you simply read nothing, or could not read, and didn't take any time to think about what the thread was about. Furthermore, if he cared about other people being satisfied in blowing up someone elses work, I don't think he would have posted all of this, furthermore putting the tank on a ship is the furtherthest thing from undermining its defense, duh? You had best be trolling, because everything you just posted sounded like a two year old talking about daddy's poker night, maybe you should stay in your lane.



I didn't just find his posts helpful, they were awesome to the many that he helped, especially in Nakugard during his stay. He got some much resistance because of self-liking forum trolls trying to make a name for themselves and get in good with unworthy organizations like goon, or just straight being a part of them.

He was the furthest thing from ignorant or arrogant I have ever seen, as he let everyone choose from an entire list of barges he presented, argued no points, and as for arrogance... Arrogant people post with no justification, credibility, or improvement.



You will not be responded to again, as I do now in retrospect know your trolling, no one is this ignorant. That was the most pitiful display of trying to discredit someone I have ever seen in a forum. I feel sorry for you.

LOL, a Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha alt, insulting other people for alt posting.
This thread is now complete

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Alt of Gizzum, Bugsy, or Lady Newbqueen?

LOL,
That makes more sense than anything else you have said in this entire thread.

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Even in a 0.5, gankers only have 15 seconds to pull off a gank and correct me if i'm wrong but there literally aren't any industrial ships in the entire game, to include a Rorqual (even fully fitted) that cost 50 billion isk. Considering your estimations for 8 Talos' base price would be roughly between 700 to 800 million, for the ships alone, not to mention the gear and riggings, I find it difficult to believe any gankers would go that far, even for an Orca or freighter, and especially not for barges. If gankers followed your advice, they would be the idiots, broke ones at that, and even then, some of these barges with the proper logistics such as shield transporters on the orca(s), medium shield maintenance bots, and a logistics ship like a Scythe, it may take just what you mentioned to kill 1 of them, and you better pray they aren't in tanked a Mackinaw.

50 billion isk ship? What is he mining in a Titan?

I use one of his recomendations, but with what ye' ole admiral listed, it isen't required that I do of course, It is just efficient.

Personally, I prefer this Mackinaw:

High Power
2x Ice harvesters

Medium Power
1x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
1x Basic/Supplemental Thermic Dissipation Amplifier
1x Medium 'Canyon' Shield Extender
1x Kinetic Deflection Amplifier I

Low Power
2x Reinforced Bulkheads
1x Damage Control II

Rig Slot
2x Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Only slightly correct. In 0.5 s, you have 14 s to pull off the gank if concord has NOT been previously spawned in system. If concord has been spawned, they make a 6s warp (it is always 6s for them to warp). As such, a primed system (which gankers often do), they have 14+6 = 20 seconds to gank you.


This is a story that is repeated every month, with dozens of players. Here is a taste of what has happend just in the last two weeks. These are all Highsec suicide gank Kills:
11 b isk Anshar
13.5 b isk Nightmare
32b isk Abbadon
23b isk Golem
14b isk Charon
10.5b isk Rhea

None of these ships have any business being this blingy. If you put enough bling on your ship (and/or in your cargo), it will be ganked as soon as an opportunistic player finds out!


Half the killmails above are done with 8-12 BCs. Usually Arty Tornados, Blaster Talos, Blaster Brutix, or Pulse Oracles. Don't forget, the gankers generally scoop their own wrecks and recover ~50% of their own modules, as well as ~50% of their targets modules & cargo. It is profitable, or it wouldn't be repeated over and over and over.


Hardly... the gankers that pulled off the above ganks make plenty of profit to cover their ship losses while elegantly dining on tears.



The basic/supplemental Thermic amp is ~40m isk.
The Medium Canyon Shield Extender is ~30m isk

Against Blasters, that fit has about 50k EHP. I'll stretch it to 60k to make this point:
A cheap, meta 2 fit catalyst outputs 10k damage in 20 seconds. Six of them WILL destroy your ship unless you have remote reps or jams or something to save your ass. Do you know how much 6 meta 2 fit catalysts cost? Less than 25m isk.

In other words, the fit above is profitable to gank.

Compared to say, this fit, which still takes 4-5 catalysts to destroy, has a better yield, has a survey scanner, and has less than 15m in modules to loot.

[Mackinaw, Standard Ice]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Damage Control II

Medium Shield Extender II
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Survey Scanner II

Ice Harvester II
Ice Harvester II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Look at this rationally, if Sino's ship and my ship are both ice mining next to each other, there isn't a ganker around that would attack my setup instead of his (unless I pissed them off). His fit essentially pays gankers to gank him, and that is something he simply doesn't comprehend.

It sounds like Sino has good intentions. But he doesn't (or didn't until we just explained it to him) understand what effective hit points is, and how they factor in resistances. He hasn't done any "stated" research on ganking (like concord response times, potential damage output, etc). He advocates unnecessarily expensive and blingy setups, when cheap meta and/or t2 modules will suffice. His responses on the forums generally don't articulate his reasoning, and when he gets criticized because we don't understand where he's coming from, or when we blatantly state & show he is wrong, he writes flippant ad hominem responses rather than defend his position. This is why so many people jumped down his case over this thread (and the other threads, may they stay berried).

oh nice, didn't think of that. at 11ms, you can do ore mining aligned no drama - just make a warp in point at one side of a belt, and a safe a few thousand km downrange with a frigate beforehand. if you mine in the same systems from week to week, you don't have to repeat that work.

Quick question, do both get into warp properly ?

Yes, but half of these are combat ships. The industrial freighters on there contain cargo that is worth while, they have no fittings. So while that type of ganking happens, and it is interesting, it is completely irrelevant to the ships shown on simo's thread. He presented barges. I understand. But then again, no one has any buisness telling someone else how and what to fit on their ships, they can make recommendations but not tell them they should die if they don't. Plus, a few of those combat ships may have been wardecs, not ganks.



Once again, the freighters were all cargo. Some of the fits in this thread would take not only a great deal of people, effort, money, and coordination, but if it was done correctly, it may not even work. I've had 7 catalysts attack my barge I showed in my last post and they didn't even penetrate the shields, however, I did have logistic drones and implants to augment my defenses.



From freighters.



Again, I was attacked by 7 T2 catalysts and it didn't penetrate my shields, it got it down to 11% shields, but then they would have had to deal with 3600 armor and 5600 hull with a great deal of resistance on both. I'm sorry, but what your saying just doesen't match what I have experienced first hand.



It really depends on what fit your using, however, the first I used saved me hundreds of millions of isk, fended off 7 T2 catalysts, and I got to laugh in their faces while I docked up. I found it to be extremely satisfying and like the man said, quite the investment.