Warfare & Tactics

Agreed, but to balance it out we need to get more LP for blapping WTs. Here's why:

Let's assume FW is for the benefit of the players who are in it for PvP rather than the farmers who will join whatever side is winning, fly around in the cheapest WCS frig and earn disproportionately more than the effort they are exerting, compared to all other low-sec activities.

By providing more LP for kills rather than plexing, it provides the proper, balanced incentive for players to complete a plex with the objective of a fight occurring rather than just to run down the timer and go off to farm another site. Not only that, it also encourages players to go out and do solo or small gang stuff more than getting together in a huge gang and blobbing. Hey, if the LP payout for wiping out an enemy dessie gang is going to be peanuts, might as well just blob and whore on killmails even though it reduces the LP per player.

So if a frigate kill becomes worth more than the pitiful amount, and shiny kills become worth even more, it starts to make more sense to actually bring no more ships to a WT fleet than the bare minimum to succeed and get good payouts. Maybe I'm nuts, but doesn't it make more sense to get rewarded more for actually risking your equipment than to get paid outrageous amounts just to sit around and farm? It's kind of sad how we call it a warzone but it's full of players who are basically engaging in an activity equivalent to mining.

Forgot to mention, this would probably solve all the problems discussed in this thread. It all comes back to the active FW players being sick of people who just join to farm. If farmers are forced to fleet up and kill to get paid, we all win because it reduces the incentive to abuse game mechanics that pay more than they should.

Playing Devil's Advocate, a cloaky farmer would just need to place himself at the edge of the decloaking range to run the button, and move a few KM outside to cloak whenever he sees something on D-scan.

It happens, but rarely. For the most part (there have been some very infrequent exceptions), the fight for the system was lost once the system went vulnerable.

Funny to notice how gallente now cries that FW is broken.

Sad that it is bit too late now , because CCP is not going to change FW for couple years.

All i came in to say is that making systems harder to flip is ********. FW is supposed to be for small gang warfare prior to people moving to null. I dont know very many fw corps that can field fleets larger than 15 people.

Well. Yes that´s right. I am wondering.
Soon caldari will have another big problem. The minmatar locusts have eaten already almost every amarr system and I saw a lot minnie locusts in cal/gal already. So caldari militia has to be prepared to get farmed by stabmatar soon.
Omg fw is really so broken.... CCPs tweaks are a big catastrophe.

Timer rollbacks, sure!

Tougher rat inside each plex, sure!

Codebreaker/etc mods, nope. The ability to keep pvp fits on plexing ships keeps people in a pvp mindset, thus more fights all around.

FW and lowsec in general is vastly better than it was.

"some" form of a cloak nerf inside the plex would help, but without it, alts will figure out the counter and it'd break PVP more than it'd help against alt farming.

Any MMORPG is going to have alt farming mentality somewhere in it. Sorry, but it's a game. People have alts on opposing sides for multiple reasons, and they're allowed to do it without breaking the EULA. Just don't take it *too* seriously when referring to "warfare" or the "warzone."

Yeah I don't know why this doesn't happen already. If offensive plexing reduces the upgrade level, surely dplexing should increase it.

It is the same as we have currently, only difference is that you have the human (read: greed) in between. Makes all sorts of sense for a person to dump D-LP into system hub, but it should remain a choice.

Personally want the entire LP/tier thing revised, but I think I may be quite alone with that

We tried that and got what we have now, not worse but certainly not better except for a few items that were going to happen either way.
Problem is that if the person is a young'un he'll be naive/gullible and take "advice" at face value, and since the human condition does not really allow straying very far from ones fold the advice will largely be biased.
Were the person to be of the older (read: bitter) variety, you get plain old self-interest and bias from the get go .. essentially just skipping the advice bit.

Best bet: Go for someone living/working in low-sec, not necessarily FW. Common denominator when you broaden the scope thus is to improve the whole shebang and not just the FW niche. Since last pass was FW and null is next on the chopping block, there is a good chance that low-sec can be squeezed in after .. which may be at the end of CSM term but with initial planning/brainstorming done well in advance the behind-the-scenes to'n'fro will be smack in the middle of the term.

Nothing to see here.

FW is working pretty well.

CCP really needs to spend some time on null sec now. Rightly so in my opinion.

Move along.