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Luminaire situation still unstable, revered Caldari Admiral called back into service
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Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
#21 - 2013-03-19 14:00:22 UTC
Desiderya wrote:

So, all that pointless bickering aside - I want to wish the good admiral the best of luck and express my confidence that her experience will see us all through this crisis.


Succinct words. I also extend my regards.

Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of KŌKAK, a Nugoeihuvi affiliate corporation.
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#22 - 2013-03-19 14:02:08 UTC
So, the Federal propaganda now has a famous face to place behind the Shiigeru's presence.

I'm more interested in what kind of 'leaked documents' will FIO publish about that than the actual return of the aforementioned Admiral.

In any case good luck, et cetera...
  • Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim

Angels are never far...

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Lialus Raithe
Doomheim
#23 - 2013-03-19 14:03:39 UTC
Mekhana wrote:
If the Federation had ancestral claims to New Caldari and hypothetically held there a world hostage, you'd probably not be too happy either.


Here's what I don't understand Mlle. Mekhana, the people (not the planet) on Caldari Prime are being held hostage in case of scenarios just like the ones you're praising. Do you not see the inevitable outcome?

People are going to die because both sides are too busy playing the villain while wearing the mask of the victim.
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-03-19 14:06:03 UTC
Ms.Desiderya,

That might have been a long time ago but now the system of Luminaire is sovereign Federation territory and it's birthplace.

The situation on Caldari Prime is a front to Federation sovereignty and as such is an act of war.

It is something unavoidable and irreparable as of now.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-03-19 14:14:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Mekhana
Lialus Raithe wrote:
Here's what I don't understand Mlle. Mekhana, the people (not the planet) on Caldari Prime are being held hostage in case of scenarios just like the ones you're praising. Do you not see the inevitable outcome?

People are going to die because both sides are too busy playing the villain while wearing the mask of the victim.


Idealistically, I'm against the invasion and occupation of a Gallente world. There's also the imprisonment and killing of Federation citizens.

Politically, I'm against the breach of sovereign Federation territory as I explained earlier.

Personally, I'm a mix of the two. The best thing I can do right now or perhaps the only thing I can think of doing in this dire situation is to be stern and wish for a favorable outcome as possible to the conflict.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 
Toluijin Chagangan
Doomheim
#26 - 2013-03-19 14:47:00 UTC
Leopold Caine wrote:
So, the Federal propaganda now has a famous face to place behind the Shiigeru's presence.

I'm more interested in what kind of 'leaked documents' will FIO publish about that than the actual return of the aforementioned Admiral.

In any case good luck, et cetera...


Such an impressive 'lifetime imprisonment' there Caine.
Seriously doubted it's authenticity at the time.
If you are still under confinement please ask your guards to remove your GalNet access.

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One Matari People.
Kallo Unarmored
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-03-19 15:05:48 UTC
Well, it seems with this turning more and more to war; at least business will be good for the next few years.
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
#28 - 2013-03-19 15:06:26 UTC
Kallo Unarmored wrote:
Well, it seems with this turning more and more to war; at least business will be good for the next few years.


Oi.

Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of KŌKAK, a Nugoeihuvi affiliate corporation.
Kallo Unarmored
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-03-19 15:10:03 UTC
Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:
Kallo Unarmored wrote:
Well, it seems with this turning more and more to war; at least business will be good for the next few years.


Oi.


Someone has to make a living, Ostrakon Agency has some nice contracts.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#30 - 2013-03-19 15:12:59 UTC
I am relieved that Admiral Yanala has returned to her place above the homeworld. May she bring peace, honour and stability as the highest of her escorts.
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
#31 - 2013-03-19 15:14:10 UTC
Kallo Unarmored wrote:

Someone has to make a living, Ostrakon Agency has some nice contracts.


We both cut a profit off of war.

But war is still reprehensible business. My hope is that all-out aggression can be avoided at all cost. I can take no pleasure in gloating over blood money.

Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of KŌKAK, a Nugoeihuvi affiliate corporation.
Kallo Unarmored
Doomheim
#32 - 2013-03-19 15:17:28 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
I am relieved that Admiral Yanala has returned to her place above the homeworld. May she bring peace, honour and stability as the highest of her escorts.


I hope so, but a military official coming out of retirement to helm a ship doesn't sound like a peaceful act; if it was they would have named her a diplomat.
Kallo Unarmored
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-03-19 15:20:10 UTC
Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:
Kallo Unarmored wrote:

Someone has to make a living, Ostrakon Agency has some nice contracts.


We both cut a profit off of war.

But war is still reprehensible business. My hope is that all-out aggression can be avoided at all cost. I can take no pleasure in gloating over blood money.


The great thing about being a merc, you can say no when people ask you to go into a village and burn people alive. The only type of blood I'm spilling for this fight of bloated egos will be cloned a few moments later.
Lialus Raithe
Doomheim
#34 - 2013-03-19 15:21:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Lialus Raithe
Kallo Unarmored wrote:


I hope so, but a military official coming out of retirement to helm a ship doesn't sound like a peaceful act; if it was they would have named her a diplomat.


You don't send a diplomat to your enemy until the military leaders have agreed to a cessation of hostilities. A diplomat handles political, economical and social arenas. Military arenas require military leaders. If anything, we should take this as a sign that the Caldari are preparing to make good on their promise if things keep pace.
Kallo Unarmored
Doomheim
#35 - 2013-03-19 15:26:09 UTC
Lialus Raithe wrote:
Kallo Unarmored wrote:


I hope so, but a military official coming out of retirement to helm a ship doesn't sound like a peaceful act; if it was they would have named her a diplomat.


You don't send a diplomat to your enemy until the military leaders have agreed to a cessation of hostilities. A diplomat handles political, economical and social arenas. Military arenas require military leaders. If anything, we should take this as a sign that the Caldari are preparing to make good on their promise if things keep pace.


The military is the product of politics, if your military is off doing its own thing while politics goes in another direction; something is wrong and usually civil war happens or a coup d'etat.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#36 - 2013-03-19 15:26:52 UTC
Kallo Unarmored wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
I am relieved that Admiral Yanala has returned to her place above the homeworld. May she bring peace, honour and stability as the highest of her escorts.


I hope so, but a military official coming out of retirement to helm a ship doesn't sound like a peaceful act; if it was they would have named her a diplomat.


The esteemable Admiral maintained a fragile piece while commanding a Titan of war, shortly after it was used to conduct an act that was heard of throughout the Cluster, all the while surrounded by enemies who cried for blood and backed by extremists who wanted more.

I can think of no better commander for Shiigeru in these troubled times.
Kallo Unarmored
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-03-19 15:30:35 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Kallo Unarmored wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
I am relieved that Admiral Yanala has returned to her place above the homeworld. May she bring peace, honour and stability as the highest of her escorts.


I hope so, but a military official coming out of retirement to helm a ship doesn't sound like a peaceful act; if it was they would have named her a diplomat.


The esteemable Admiral maintained a fragile piece while commanding a Titan of war, shortly after it was used to conduct an act that was heard of throughout the Cluster, all the while surrounded by enemies who cried for blood and backed by extremists who wanted more.

I can think of no better commander for Shiigeru in these troubled times.



I hope you are right, but I won't be surprised if it all blows up in our faces.
Anslo
Scope Works
#38 - 2013-03-19 15:33:52 UTC
Wait, so now there's two titans in orbit??

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Aquila Shadow
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-03-19 15:36:45 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Wait, so now there's two titans in orbit??


No, the Admiral took over command of the CNS Shiigeru. (The titan in orbit)

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Lialus Raithe
Doomheim
#40 - 2013-03-19 15:37:14 UTC
Kallo Unarmored wrote:


The military is the product of politics, if your military is off doing its own thing while politics goes in another direction; something is wrong and usually civil war happens or a coup d'etat.


Yes, the military should work in tandem with politics. The point remains, you don't send a diplomat in until the stage has been set for diplomacy. The current situation isn't a diplomatic one, it's a military one and until the military situation is calmed to a point that a diplomat will even be heard, sending one would be fruitless. We're sidetracked at this point however.