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Should Ganking be profitable?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#481 - 2013-03-23 16:54:44 UTC
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:
Tippia, I hope its more of a unwillingness or a refusal to accept someone else valid points of views more then a reading comprehension issue.

I have sated my opinion and point of view clearly and stated reason's for those. Should you have any further questions please take the time and perhaps read them again.

Hope this helps you.

Have a nice day.


You havent given any reasons for the removal of an entire playstyle that has been a part of EVE from the very start and one of its more heavily advertised features.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#482 - 2013-03-23 16:56:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:
Tippia, I hope its more of a unwillingness or a refusal to accept someone else valid points of views more then a reading comprehension issue.
Well, you're a better judge than us as to how poor your reading comprehension is.

The simple fact remains: CCP disagrees with you and have stated that very clearly. The entire game design disagrees with you. The quote and changes you keep referring to disagree with you. Your refusal to accept these facts is something only you can fix, and if it's just a matter of you not understanding what has been written, then maybe there's hope… but I doubt it.

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I have sated my opinion and point of view clearly and stated reason's for those.
You have stated your baseless opinion, and posted a whole lot of lies, fantasies, and inventions. You haven't posted any real reasons other than “it just should”.

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No what I want is balance.
It already exists. If you think otherwise, prove it.

Why shouldn't you be able to rob people of their valuables for profit?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#483 - 2013-03-23 16:57:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


Then they arnt pirates.

pi·rate (prt)

One who robs at sea or plunders the land from the sea without commission from a sovereign nation.

Also carebears have not played longer than pirates because pirates have been in EVE from day one and advertised from the very start.

What you want are called terrorists.


No what I want is balance.


Nope what you want is to swing the nerf bat at what is one of oldest professions in human history, robbing people of their valuables for profit.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#484 - 2013-03-23 16:57:56 UTC
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:


No what I want is balance.


We have that.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#485 - 2013-03-23 16:58:51 UTC
Why shouldn't you be able to rob people of their valuables for profit?

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Caldari Citizen 1897289768188
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#486 - 2013-03-23 16:59:32 UTC  |  Edited by: E-2C Hawkeye
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:
Tippia, I hope its more of a unwillingness or a refusal to accept someone else valid points of views more then a reading comprehension issue.

I have sated my opinion and point of view clearly and stated reason's for those. Should you have any further questions please take the time and perhaps read them again.

Hope this helps you.

Have a nice day.


Pot meet kettle.

By the way, you still haven't answered the burning question, in fact you've taken such a circuitous route around it that politicians are jealous of your ability to avoid answering it.

Why shouldn't you be able to rob people of their valuables for profit?


They should in low/null. again they should not in hi-sec because of the imbalance from low cost/effort high dps ships. I have answered this over and over. Take the time to read not skim. Are you certain you and Tippia are not one in the same? Or maybe just both suffer from the same infliction.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#487 - 2013-03-23 17:00:12 UTC
If myself and baltec1 and Tippia are on the same page.....

Something is seriously amiss.

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Caldari Citizen 1897289768188
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#488 - 2013-03-23 17:00:52 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:


No what I want is balance.


We have that.

Sorry not even close.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#489 - 2013-03-23 17:01:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:
They should in low/null.
…and according to CCP, in high. After all, there's nothing special about high that is meant to make this impossible. In fact, they have gone through a great amount of effort to ensure that it remains possible, and they have explicitly said that they want it to be possible.

So why shouldn't it be?

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again they should not in hi-sec because of the imbalance from low cost/effort high dps ships.
What imbalance, and what does that have to do with something as completely unrelated as allowing piracy for profit?

Why shouldn't you be able to rob people of their valuables for profit?
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#490 - 2013-03-23 17:03:40 UTC
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:
Tippia, I hope its more of a unwillingness or a refusal to accept someone else valid points of views more then a reading comprehension issue.

I have sated my opinion and point of view clearly and stated reason's for those. Should you have any further questions please take the time and perhaps read them again.

Hope this helps you.

Have a nice day.


Pot meet kettle.

By the way, you still haven't answered the burning question, in fact you've taken such a circuitous route around it that politicians are jealous of your ability to avoid answering it.

Why shouldn't you be able to rob people of their valuables for profit?


They should in low/null. again they should not in hi-sec because of the imbalance from low cost/effort high dps ships. I have answered this over and over. Take the time to read not skim. Are you certain you and Tippia are not one in the same? Or maybe just both suffer from the same infliction.



What imbalance of cost/effort? You get popped from Concord. That's already less profit than from null/lowsec. WHY should highsec not have the same abilities for ganking, with a higher cost to do so? It's already in place. That's where everyone is questioning your posts. You keep saying it's not there. It is.

Ask baltec1 how many ships he has lost doing his ganks in highsec. I'm willing to assume each and every single one of them. Which would not necessarily hold true in lowsec, or nullsec.

you keep saying you answered it. But you haven't.

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Caldari Citizen 1897289768188
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#491 - 2013-03-23 17:04:35 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


Then they arnt pirates.

pi·rate (prt)

One who robs at sea or plunders the land from the sea without commission from a sovereign nation.

Also carebears have not played longer than pirates because pirates have been in EVE from day one and advertised from the very start.

What you want are called terrorists.


No what I want is balance.


Nope what you want is to swing the nerf bat at what is one of oldest professions in human history, robbing people of their valuables for profit.


Industry? OMG get a grip. SNAP back to reality. This is a game with coded gaming mechanics. In reference to the topic at hand the mechanic in not balanced. Just like other changes they made in the past to fix the game. LMAO did this get moved to the role playing forum and I didnt notice?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#492 - 2013-03-23 17:05:36 UTC
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:

They should in low/null. again they should not in hi-sec because of the imbalance from low cost/effort high dps ships. I have answered this over and over. Take the time to read not skim. Are you certain you and Tippia are not one in the same? Or maybe just both suffer from the same infliction.


Firstly I'm pretty certain that Tippia and myself are not related in any way, outside of the common gene pool that humanity shares.
Secondly I have taken the time to read all of your posts, I'm now somewhat dumber because of it.
Thirdly you haven't answered the question, you have gone so far out of the way to avoid doing so that you've completed a lap of the solar system.
Fourthly the only affliction I'm suffering from is the spontaneous death of some braincells, mainly because of your posts.

Why shouldn't you be able to rob people of valuables for profit?

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#493 - 2013-03-23 17:06:31 UTC
Funny how I predicted the future of this thread in the third post. And I was right. Read it on EVE-Search!

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#494 - 2013-03-23 17:06:34 UTC
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:

Sorry not even close.


Why?

Because the stupids out there cant fit 7 billion in mods on their ship with 10k EHP without being vulnerable to pirates?

If people didnt do daft things then there would be nobody to pirate in high sec. It is 100% in the hands of the victim to not be a victim. The ganker get no say in how a target fits their ship or what cargo they load.

If anything its more in favor of the target than anything else.
Whitehound
#495 - 2013-03-23 17:08:06 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Why shouldn't you be able to rob people of their valuables for profit?

The majority does not like to be robbed. It is a very well known fact. How can you ask such a question in the first place?

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#496 - 2013-03-23 17:08:54 UTC
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:

They should in low/null. again they should not in hi-sec because of the imbalance from low cost/effort high dps ships.


A gankship earns far far less over its lifetime than a typical 3B mission ship. Its perfectly balanced in the longrun.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#497 - 2013-03-23 17:09:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:
This is a game with coded gaming mechanics. In reference to the topic at hand the mechanic in not balanced.
In what way?

Quote:
Just like other changes they made in the past to fix the game.
…changes that came about because something was amiss, so rather unlike what we have here. After all, why shouldn't you be able to rob people of their valuables for profit?

Whitehound wrote:
The majority does not like to be robbed.
…and they can choose not to. If they don't choose that, why shouldn't you be able to rob them of their valuables for profit?
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#498 - 2013-03-23 17:10:04 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:
Tippia, I hope its more of a unwillingness or a refusal to accept someone else valid points of views more then a reading comprehension issue.

I have sated my opinion and point of view clearly and stated reason's for those. Should you have any further questions please take the time and perhaps read them again.

Hope this helps you.

Have a nice day.


Pot meet kettle.

By the way, you still haven't answered the burning question, in fact you've taken such a circuitous route around it that politicians are jealous of your ability to avoid answering it.

Why shouldn't you be able to rob people of their valuables for profit?


They should in low/null. again they should not in hi-sec because of the imbalance from low cost/effort high dps ships. I have answered this over and over. Take the time to read not skim. Are you certain you and Tippia are not one in the same? Or maybe just both suffer from the same infliction.



What imbalance of cost/effort? You get popped from Concord. That's already less profit than from null/lowsec. WHY should highsec not have the same abilities for ganking, with a higher cost to do so? It's already in place. That's where everyone is questioning your posts. You keep saying it's not there. It is.

Ask baltec1 how many ships he has lost doing his ganks in highsec. I'm willing to assume each and every single one of them. Which would not necessarily hold true in lowsec, or nullsec.

you keep saying you answered it. But you haven't.


No one said he has not lost ship..again that fact has already been stated. We all know you get poped by concord...Welcome to ten pages ago. The value of those ships are way out of balance with the dps they can bear and the effort they require for the value and effort they can destroy is not balanced.

Again hi-sec does not exist just to be exploited it should be the best balanced space of the three.
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188
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#499 - 2013-03-23 17:11:25 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:
This is a game with coded gaming mechanics. In reference to the topic at hand the mechanic in not balanced.
In what way?

Quote:
Just like other changes they made in the past to fix the game.
…changes that came about because something was amiss, so rather unlike what we have here. After all, why shouldn't you be able to rob people of their valuables for profit?

Whitehound wrote:
The majority does not like to be robbed.
…and they can choose not to. If they don't choose that, why shouldn't you be able to rob them of their valuables for profit?

This has been explained already.
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#500 - 2013-03-23 17:13:34 UTC
Takseen wrote:
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:

They should in low/null. again they should not in hi-sec because of the imbalance from low cost/effort high dps ships.


A gankship earns far far less over its lifetime than a typical 3B mission ship. Its perfectly balanced in the longrun.

numbers?