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Trebor Daehdoow vs. Psychotic Monk, what would YOU like to know?

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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#1 - 2013-03-18 21:52:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Alekseyev Karrde
Declarations of War is proud to be bringing you the second in our 1v1 debate series. For our follow up, we've got the only incumbent Vice Secretary Trebor Daehdoow taking on champion of skullduggery Psychotic Monk.

What would you like to see these two rhetorical titans talk about? Post your question and who it's for below and it might get used on the show! We're recording at 23:30 so all posts before then will be considered.

Usual disclaimer: We will not ask every question posted for obvious reasons, so make em good ;p

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
None ofthe Above
#2 - 2013-03-18 22:31:11 UTC  |  Edited by: None ofthe Above
This might be going for the obvious, but I am interested in hearing a discussion between those two on these interrelated questions:

How broken are wardecs and how might they be fixed?

How safe should high sec be (and for that matter low and null, and for what kind of gameplay)?

How rewarding should high sec be (and for that matter low and null, and for what kind of gameplay)?

How can we improve the new player experience?

What kind of new players should we be trying to attract?

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Chitsa Jason
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-03-18 23:45:14 UTC
What do you think about the current state of merc community?
Do you feel that merc contracts as a feature should be on CCP list?

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Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-03-19 01:18:25 UTC
Chitsa, I'm afraid you're not going to like my awnser.

I think merc contracts is something that is currently being handled in the community and can continue to be handled by the community. I don't want to see anything that's ironclad and fuckery-proof when it's something that could be handled by the player base. The mercs contract channel, for instance handles this reasonably well and provides interesting **** to do for those involved in it. It also allows for things to get messy, and messy is the path to telling great stories.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#5 - 2013-03-19 01:27:40 UTC
(Disclaimer: These questions come from a likely PsyMonk voter, although I may also vote James 315.)


PsyMonk, you've mentioned 'incursion F-ery' as one of your qualifications. Can you describe how you messed with incursions, and what this adds to highsec gameplay for you, for your targets, and for people not involved.

Trebor, can you comment on your attitude to incursion sabotage?

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#6 - 2013-03-19 01:30:24 UTC
Another question. Same disclaimer, I'm a likely PsyMonk voter.


What are both of your attitudes to 'wardec evasion' - where corporations dissolve and reform in response to a wardec?
Do you think this is a problem?
Do you consider it an exploit?
What tools or game system changes (if any) would you like to see to address any perceived problems here?

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Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-03-19 06:10:54 UTC
My most famous incursion fuckery was when we applied the rule of repping someone with agression to someone else transferring that aggression to the orginally agressed party. The way that looked on the ground was that we'd have a Nightmare or Macharial or any number of other boats with some form of remote assistance chain up with a basi who would be aggressed to the rest of us, giving us permission to legally kill him.

This generated content for us in exactly the way you expect it would, and for incursion runners is caused a need for tighter community policing and civic-minded action to ensure that if you weren't already familiar with all the people in your fleet you should at least be checking with the public blacklists. In effect, this served as a reminder that you should not trust strangers, especially when faction battleships were concerned. You can read about it over at http://evenews24.com/2011/11/11/dead-irish-interviews-psychotic-monk/ For those uninvolved in either side it was an interesting news piece both times it happened.

As for wardec evasion, I feel that it is broken. It is hobbling an area of the game that is of immense value and has suffered enough over the last year. I don't blame the people that do it, as it most certainly is the correct decision for them, but it is most certainly broken. I've mentioned before some solutions, so I won't bore you with the full text and skip straight to the cliff notes:

1) A band-aid solution would be to have the war follow the individual despite them dropping corp.
2) A better solution, in my opinion, would be to make it worthwhile for members to stay with corps even during difficult periods. This would mean that player corps and NPC corps would have a notable mechanical difference in how well their members perform and that there should be a level of investment in a player corp that would be lost when dropping or dissolving corp.

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Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
#8 - 2013-03-19 16:25:47 UTC
A question for both of you:

What are your thoughts on the philosophy that people should be allowed to do what they want, and if a player desires to be entirely uninvolved in PVP in hisec they should be able to? Does it have any merit? If such a philosophy were adopted as policy by CCP, how do you see this affecting the atmosphere in hisec, lowsec, and 0.0?

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Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-03-19 16:48:41 UTC
It shouldn't be a surprise that I don't think people should get to be safe while completely oblivious and uninvolved in the world around them. Safety absolutely should be something you do, rather than something you simply get.

Unfortunately, CCP clearly doesn't agree with me, and EVE suffers as a result. This is pretty much the exact reason I'm running in the first place.

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#10 - 2013-03-19 23:58:53 UTC
So why does everyone like pvp so much, when every game offers it?

Besides UO apparently.

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Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-03-20 03:18:09 UTC
Could you rephrase that question, please?

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Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
#12 - 2013-03-22 18:13:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Iam Widdershins
I like how Trebor is totally participating.

A followup question: Do you think there is any issue with CCP's balance between changing the game to retain subscribers and changing the game to actually improve it long-term? Are they doing it well or are they going too far in one direction or the other?

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Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-03-22 20:26:43 UTC
I do think there's issues there. EvE is unique among MMOs. It's very high quality and an incredibly rich and detailed game, and the only one of its calibre that's competitive in any meaningful way. What it isn't is a grind-fest Skinner's box and when trying to view it that way it falls significantly short. Trying to attract the Skinner's Box crowd at the expense of our roots hurts us and disappoints the crowd that showed up looking to kill space boars. We should be letting the people who want Big Mac's go to McDonalds and we'll concentrate on better cuisine.

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None ofthe Above
#14 - 2013-03-23 02:47:23 UTC
Preliminary voting was supposed to start today. When is this going to be available?

Can't claim its CCP's fault waiting on NDA approval this time, or can you?

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#15 - 2013-03-23 23:33:27 UTC
HERE IT IS

TOPICS:
-Highsec Balance
-New Player Experience
-EVE Development and Marketing
-CSM Incumbents vs New Blood
-Failures and Successes of CSM7

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
None ofthe Above
#16 - 2013-03-24 18:01:49 UTC
This alleged person would have to say, well done.

More convinced than ever that both these candidates need to be on CSM 8.

I don't think I would like it if either got their way entirely, but it is clear that they represent extremely valuable viewpoints.

Monk did well, but came across as a little green and lacking polish. His earnestness and realistic reasoned approach was quite refreshing. A far better griefer candidate than James315, IMHO. Someone like this is needed in the discussions about upcoming changes. (I look forward to seeing how well he does in his re-election campaign presuming that happens.)

Trebor, who is often miscast as the safe-highsec carebear candidate, represented his no-sacred-cows business-as-a-science position well, as usual. And it is clear in this interview that he helps people that don't agree with him refine their arguments so that they can be better representatives as well. If he wasn't so good at helping others refine their points, there may be a danger of him influencing CCP to "sell out", but let us also remember that he ran a successful Anime company for many years. Anime is as niche as it gets, he understands keeping the core of an idea while broadening the target audience.

Moderation was well done. Enough humor to keep things from being too dry. Excellent work in refining the questions. (The ones I submitted that were used, came with good drill down and expansion.)

So kudos to all involved.

And let us not forget: Pychotic Monk wants you all to google Ponies with Tentacles!

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Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-03-24 18:08:54 UTC
I specifically said *don't* google ponies with tentacles.

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None ofthe Above
#18 - 2013-03-24 18:17:40 UTC  |  Edited by: None ofthe Above
Psychotic Monk wrote:
I specifically said *don't* google ponies with tentacles.


Now you are trying to back away from your position?

Flip-flopper!

I challenge all to listen to the debate and prove me wrong.

And look at this guy's face, he's clearly thinking about Ponies with Tentacles.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#19 - 2013-03-24 18:19:00 UTC
That was a good interview you gave on crossing zebras. Although I confess to being a bit puzzled by hearing you dedicate yourself to many of the themes of my hi-sec manifesto after you were so dismissive of it when I asked you about it.

Still, the result is what's important Blink

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-03-24 18:35:35 UTC
Malc, I'm sorry if you thought I was dismissive. I really didn't mean to be insulting. We still hold differences in opinion about if highsec should be a transitional place or a place for grinding content or industrial pursuits. I'm arguing that highsec is for more than that. All the specific suggestions you put forward in your manifesto are good ones and they don't preclude the vision of highsec I'm advocating.

So, again, I'm sorry if you felt I was dismissive but that was not at all my intent.

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