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I know that ISboxer is currently not banned. I think i may have typed out the question poorly.


CCP, Will you be banning ISBOxer folks when summer expansion hits? I know its been kicked about some but some folks feel it should be removed and ban people using it. as it is violating the EULA. 1 key stroke affect more then 1 client.

so come on CCP I know many would love to hear your thoughts on this.

You can do that with Synergy also.

Some people actually use ISBoxer and alt-tab between the clients. _No_ fancy 1 key stroke = more than 1 action.

When I talk about EVE online, I won't mention the multi-boxing: It's a game already known as "spreadsheets online", if I start telling people of the reliance many people have on the current multi-boxing trend, it takes the romance out of it. I sincerely hope CCP will begin to limit the effectiveness of the multi-boxers if not take them out completely.

It takes away from the social dynamics of the game, and just makes it that much harder for the little guy to call this game home.

PS. I hope the botters/RMTers all die in a fire.

Count me in as another person that would like a clear position on ISBoxer categorically stated in stickies.

I'm of the opinion it should be banned, but with a 60 day warning period in which instead of getting a 'strike', people caught using it are instead given an 'off the record' 'please stop using this banned software' message.

The case for banning it:

- It results in an unfair advantage in the PVP environment that is the marketplace, allowing effective item duping
- It allows extreme synchronization of PVP actions beyond what human players can achieve.

Please let me introduce to the same questions I am asking to CCP since years and they never answered.

CCP have an automated detection mechanism that seems to work very well but also a "discretionary, heuristics based" mechanism that does have false positives.
In these years I talked with a number of people who:

- Were banned for "simple botting", that is no RMT, no ISK confiscation, no items being removed, nothing.

- Were not in a "superstars famous corp / alliance" and thus they were flamed and derided on the forums (the few who tried saying something) and CCP never reversed anything done to them.

- Every step involved takes a painful process where the banned guy has to use emails to ask CCP and they take from 3 weeks to 2.5 months to give any answer at all.
I can confirm this slowness is true, because I have asked CCP several questions about EULA and similar and they always take 2 weeks to 1+ month just to give very simple answers.

- They emailed me the replies they got by CCP, basically they were told they were banned because despite no forbidden software was detected, they "played too much and /or in too regular patterns".
That's it. Play a lot or too "regular" and you risk the banhammer!

- I had known one of them IRL because he worked in a competitor of my company. He is a good person (despite they are competitors ), he got busted because he played every day 1 hour before work, 2 hours during lunch pause (he eats in the office) and 1 hour after work. Evidently these happen every day at the same hours so he got the "play too regular pattern" banned for it.
I've been in his office and he did not have anything but an old laptop with no software but EvE and 2-3 other things like Office.

He unsubbed and stopped playing EvE despite he only got 1 account banned, both because of how he was treated and the lack of any mean to prove his innocency at all. There's no "jury", no "screenshot, log, video recording" that are accepted by CCP except that 1 exception for a software that is allowed anyway (ISBoxer). One can be banned out of the blue for any random reason and then you'll have to HTFU.

That sounds nice and dandy until that one guy is not you, who had maybe played for 6-7 years and invested some huge time in EvE just to see it taken away, point blank.

Thanks Team Security, your work is very much appreciated.

Couple of small tweaks that would improve EVE and also reduce botting:

- character is added into local chat only when he appears on grid with a stargate (not when he enterd system, but only after breaking gate cloak) Characters entering a system via wormhole will not be added to local chat unless they appear on grid with a stargate.

- NPC weapon timer, that prevents using a station, gate or force field while active, same 1 minute as normal pvp flag.

- move L5 missions to low and nullsec

- finally revamp asteroid mining mechanics and UI completely to encourage active user participation

L4s! :D I blame my not-so-smartphone.

Local change is minor, mining not so small. Your point? Oh right, you had none.

It only takes a 5 min phone call to you ISP, just to ask for a new IP Addy. Thus, making your point moot...

On the issue of ISBoxer being approved, would you believe the words of Joe Thaler (aka Lax), the owner of Lavish Software and maker of Inner Space and ISBoxer?

(To moderators: the link goes to the ISBoxer forums. Please delete the link if it violates any rules.)



As for the ninja-edit. The post that was edited was directly being used by Lavish Software to promote the use of ISBoxer. I'm glad to see that I was not the only one who fell for the inference that the post explicitly approved of ISBoxer By editing the post CCP made sure that no one clicking on the link on the ISBoxer web site would think that CCP explicitly approved of ISBoxer.

Just a little story about that link. On the ISBoxer web site the story is told of an ISBoxer user who was banned for using ISBoxer but then the post in question was made saying multi-boxing was allowed. Actually, Kromtor was banned for using Synergy too efficiently and the change in the edit was a response to Kromtor's request asking for a response on whether Synergy was okay to use. For those who don't parse the words carefully it could appear that ISBoxer was officially sanctioned software. A lot of people told me otherwise.

For those interested in history, Kromtor was the player who used a crazy-cool set-up using wooden dowels and tape, among other things, to multi-box with until CCP gave Synergy the thumbs up.

I am also interested to know if an application that uses code injection to directly impact events inside the Eve client is allowed since in the past code injection was considered client modification. The last I heard the penalty for that offense was a permanent ban for all accounts.