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Is High Sec a Mith?

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Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#61 - 2013-03-18 12:58:15 UTC
Takseen wrote:
Judging by the damage taken on the killmail, he didn't have his tank modules turned on.


That was the bit I mentioned about not being familiar with how things work. My point was more towards the preferred ganked mission ships which are the T3s.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#62 - 2013-03-18 13:01:48 UTC
Takseen wrote:
However your EHP figures are off. A nekkid Golem would have 40k EHP. 60k EHP with the DC II. 80k with his hardeners on.

Judging by the damage taken on the killmail, he didn't have his tank modules turned on.
Afaik, killmails display HP, not EHP, so the only difference you'd ever see as far as tanking goes is if it has received a lot of local or remote repping before it pops.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#63 - 2013-03-18 13:06:31 UTC
I take it we have adressed that the OPs ship was profitable to gank right?

Also that the loot fairy said no.
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#64 - 2013-03-18 13:09:54 UTC
evedawn wrote:
Firstly what is the right section then?

Secondly because its never happened to me before & I've never heard it could happen!

The only thing that happened before was I got a pirate in a mission & laughed at him because he got shot from the mission pirates...

I never got a suspect flag & did not see any of them get blown up afterwards. I am still waiting to see battlelinic's report on the event.

Still think High Sec is a mith & the game is unbalanced towards or for the aggressor with skills. In other words bully training in motion...


They probably thought you were a good target and likely were fitted with lots of shiny faction mods which you would drop when destroyed thus making up for the loss of their BCs.

High sec isn't completely safe, I don't know where you got that impression. The fact that you have level 1.0 to 5.0 security ratings all encompassing high security should indicate to most people that high security isn't all the same.

Although you probably were a bit unlucky, eventually something like this was bound to happen to you, and hopefully this will be a good lesson to you in future.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2013-03-18 13:10:29 UTC
Sentient Blade wrote:
Takseen wrote:
Judging by the damage taken on the killmail, he didn't have his tank modules turned on.


That was the bit I mentioned about not being familiar with how things work. My point was more towards the preferred ganked mission ships which are the T3s.


The lower EHP is generally compensated for by the smaller sig radius. Of course nothing will save a Tengu pilot who fits like this
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2013-03-18 13:13:26 UTC
Tippia wrote:

Afaik, killmails display HP, not EHP, so the only difference you'd ever see as far as tanking goes is if it has received a lot of local or remote repping before it pops.


Oh right. Then he might have had his tank mods on.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#67 - 2013-03-18 13:13:34 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Also that the loot fairy said no.


sometimes the tears are worth a billion isk.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#68 - 2013-03-18 13:14:16 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
I take it we have adressed that the OPs ship was profitable to gank right?

Also that the loot fairy said no.



it almost makes me feel bad for the gankers all that poten...

... oh wait, just saw a few 'nados sell, nevermind.Bear

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Goldnut Sachs
#69 - 2013-03-18 13:34:50 UTC
haha this thread not locked for humane reasons yet?
EvEa Deva
Doomheim
#70 - 2013-03-18 13:43:15 UTC
If your going to a trade hub to buy eggs, bread, weapons, exotic dancers take a crappy ship, not your pimped ships.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#71 - 2013-03-18 13:44:19 UTC
Boo hoo ?

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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#72 - 2013-03-18 13:48:17 UTC
Definition of MITH

chiefly Scottish variant of might

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mith

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Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
#73 - 2013-03-18 13:51:18 UTC
Tippia wrote:
evedawn wrote:
I think this is a serious flaw with the game!!!
0/10

Quote:
If I choose to, I should be able to play this game safely
No, you should not. Or, well… yes you should, and you are. You have all the tools at your disposal, but in the end, you are the one who has to make that happen — not the game. This whole “sandbox” thing does not mean that you can do what you want — it means everyone can do what they want, which will include stuff you don't want them to do (to you). It is up to you to ensure that they can't do those things.

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Is that true? Is High Sec a mith?
No. Partly because there is no such thing, and partly because you're confusing the relative word “high” with the absolute word “total”. Security in highsec is high. It is not complete. You have to tend to your own safety relative to the insecurity left by it merely being at a “high” level.


technically high sec isnt even high "security" as that would imply that theres guards around you who may get shot and killed and fail to defend you but they may beat back the attacker just fine. I'd consider it more of a "NPC Avenge-me sec" in that the "illegal" aggressor loses thier ship for thier unwarranted attack

to the OP you said you saw a pirate in your mission pocket and they were killed by the npcs, was this immediately prior to the incident of attack on your? Just wondering cause if they blew up and you looted something from the wreck that would make you free game for that pilot and i believe his entire corp (or does yellow wreck looting make you open target for all now?)
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#74 - 2013-03-18 13:53:32 UTC
I understand where the op is coming from. I dont feel hi-sec should be completely safe and people should still have the ability to gank somone out of revenge or spite, but I dont feel it should be profitable.

I say if you want to gank people thats fine but it should cost you and anyone involved. This seemed to worked well for the miners. Macks seem still be on the profit list but rifter ganks have fallen off substantially. WHY? No profit in it.


People shouldnt be afraid to undock thier big shiny ships to play the game. Something needs to be in place to remove the profit margin for using high dps ships with no effort put in to them to kill ships people have worked hard to obtain.

Take away the profit and you remove 90% of the problem.
Lin Suizei
#75 - 2013-03-18 13:55:48 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Take away the profit and you remove 90% of the problem.


"It"'s not a problem.

Lol I can't delete my forum sig.
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#76 - 2013-03-18 13:57:03 UTC
Thorn Galen wrote:
Definition of MITH

chiefly Scottish variant of might

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mith


Guessing this is what the op meant.

myth
/miTH/Noun
1.A traditional story, esp. one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically...
2.Such stories collectively.



Synonyms
fable - legend

English is not everyones first language. Cut people some slack.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#77 - 2013-03-18 13:57:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Felicity Love wrote:
Boo hoo ?


I'd have gone with diddums

Undocking from a station in a mission hub, flying a 3 billion isk ammunition magnet, while thinking that you were immune to other players, in an open PvP MMO renowned for its brutality and the ability for other players to ruin your day, and then whining about it on the forums shows a level of stupid that's generally only seen in those who wish that Eve was a single player game.
Highsec is not safe, it is merely safer than everywhere else.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#78 - 2013-03-18 13:58:16 UTC
lulz

The high sec crowd (a few individuals in particular) always pop up to tell me I'm evil for telling folks that EVE just isn't the right game for them. Well, I'm sorry, but it's true, some people just aren't cut out to play EVE online or any pvp game where they can lose stuff.

The OP is bad. What's worse though is that their are plenty of experienced, veteran high sec players who think exactly the way the OP does.

Like "High" sec should mean "perfectly safe" sec, or that people should be able to "screw with you" unless you screw with them (or leave high sec) 1st etc etc. If y'all really don't like the things that are at the heart of EVE online, my best advice is to make the transition form "very dissatisfied customer" to "ex-customer".
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#79 - 2013-03-18 13:58:30 UTC
Lin Suizei wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Take away the profit and you remove 90% of the problem.


"It"'s not a problem.


Seem to be a problem for the subscribing OP as well as others like him/her
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#80 - 2013-03-18 13:59:36 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
I understand where the op is coming from. I dont feel hi-sec should be completely safe and people should still have the ability to gank somone out of revenge or spite, but I dont feel it should be profitable.
Why not? If someone presents a crapton of valuable loot in a easy-to-shoot ship, it sure as hell should be profitable to go after him.

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People shouldnt be afraid to undock thier big shiny ships to play the game.
They don't have to be. They just have to be smart about it and adjust their flying to fit what they choose to undock in.

Quote:
Take away the profit and you remove 90% of the problem.
It's not a problem to begin with, so there's nothing to remove.