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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#21 - 2013-03-18 01:35:39 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Answer me this.

Whilst a pilot is cloaked and AFK, which game mechanic are they using to interact with others in the system?


Answer me this.

What game mechanic is a nullbear ratter (bot or not) using to interact with others in the system?
Same answer.


Sure. No argument that local is bizarrely overpowered when you consider the rest of the game.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#22 - 2013-03-18 01:43:10 UTC
Paul Panala wrote:

I don't see it as a non-issue in null sec space. If you hang out in the same system day after day, then the first few days you might freak a few people out and get them to waste a lot of time docked. Once they figure out what you are doing and they start to ignore you, then you have a chance to get a few free kills :-)


Sounds like a plan.
Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-03-18 02:57:28 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
Thank you for bring a new and exciting topic to the forums.
I think it is about time someone mentioned afk cloaks - cause it's never been discussed. Big smile


As a very wise dude said earlier - Non issue.

I have never been shot at by an afk cloaker.
Have you?

How do they lock and shoot if they are cloaked and afk?
Does dscan stop working in null sec?


Complaining about cloaks is pointless - people will just use very fast frigates that can burn almost off grid before probe ships land if cloaks get nerfed, you will end up dead much more often due to the alternative.



Null should be dangerous. Don't like it? High sec is for you.

Imagine if low sec players behaved like this and said:
I was ratting/plexing last night with my 7 accounts
Then someone appear in local - OH NOOOOOO.
They are not on scan - OH NOOOOOOO.
They must be ----- DOCKED - OH NOOOOOOO.
They could undock at any time and get easy kills - OH NOOOOOO.
I only have 7 toons + alliance of 500 to support me here and there is ONE neutral - HELP MEH CCP. FIX THE GAME.
CCP PLZ NERF UNDOCKING. I CAN'T RAT NOW CAUSE THEY COULD UNDOCK.


I guess you really like typing. I don't think anyone here posted anything to that effect. I guess you just assumed someone would same something along those lines so you figured you would just put them in their place before they said anything? Anyway, have fun, fly safe.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2013-03-18 03:21:59 UTC
Cloaky camping a system can be done for a whole lot of reasons. I usually have toons cloaky camping systems to:
- Provide me access to certain w-space whenever I want (They mainly logoffski camping actually);
- Wait out the often limited attention spans of those people trying to camp / grief me;
- Provide eyes on hostile titans and other movements when needed (Vary from logoffski to afk, to actively watching cloaky);
- Psycho-grief people (usually afk-cloaky);
- Provide tackles and cynos for our hot-drops (afk-cloaky most of the time, to build target confidence, but often looking around for targets or bookmarking sites scanned while system is empty etc, and occasionally very active).

If you’re camping a nullsec system, even a blue one, you would be well advised to be either docked, POSed-up, or cloaked. If not you will inevitably die and wakeup somewhere else, buff naked in your medclone. If you’re intent upon camping a hostile system you are not very likely to have a POS or access to their outpost (NPC null is a different thing though), so your only viable camping option is cloaked.

Some people freak out when their system is cloaky camped, some take a little extra care, and some just continue business-as-usual. Some, of course, whine and moan on the forums asking CCP to change the entire game dynamic because they cannot be bothered (or don’t have the wits) to adjust to this activity. Some suggest removing local … well, hek, we got 2500 or so systems already without local. Some suggest all sorts of other ‘fixes’ for a normal game mechanic that is not, IMHO, at all broken.

TLDR: Cloaky camping, afk or active, is legitimate use of normal game dynamics … and can be fun.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
AFK Cloaker
Matari Exodus
#25 - 2013-03-18 03:30:50 UTC
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#26 - 2013-03-18 03:32:35 UTC
AFK Cloaker wrote:
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What took you so long?

https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#27 - 2013-03-18 04:13:14 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
AFK Cloaker wrote:
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What took you so long?


I'm freaking out man.... he might just say something.
Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium
#28 - 2013-03-18 04:27:43 UTC
Sean Parisi wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
AFK Cloaker wrote:
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What took you so long?


I'm freaking out man.... he might just say something.


CCP should seriously look into him for griefing. I'm risking my macro....I mean my manually controlled....seven accounts just to log into this forum and see his existence. I have to keep jamming refresh to make sure he doesn't come after me while I type this, too!

Arma Purgatorium - What is Podded May Never Die
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#29 - 2013-03-18 07:15:27 UTC
Morgan Torry wrote:
Sean Parisi wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
AFK Cloaker wrote:
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What took you so long?


I'm freaking out man.... he might just say something.


CCP should seriously look into him for griefing. I'm risking my macro....I mean my manually controlled....seven accounts just to log into this forum and see his existence. I have to keep jamming refresh to make sure he doesn't come after me while I type this, too!


I haven't made even one isk since he appeared in this thread.

What should I do?

https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#30 - 2013-03-18 09:58:25 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
AFK Cloaker wrote:
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What took you so long?


He was probably afk
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#31 - 2013-03-18 10:06:58 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
Morgan Torry wrote:
Sean Parisi wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
AFK Cloaker wrote:
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What took you so long?


I'm freaking out man.... he might just say something.


CCP should seriously look into him for griefing. I'm risking my macro....I mean my manually controlled....seven accounts just to log into this forum and see his existence. I have to keep jamming refresh to make sure he doesn't come after me while I type this, too!


I haven't made even one isk since he appeared in this thread.

What should I do?



Same here, I'm crippled by terror. Since he's here I cannot post anything, I can't neither open and read the forum, all my forum bots warped away
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#32 - 2013-03-18 11:13:42 UTC
Mag's, if you don't want Local go to WH space!

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Onomerous
Caldari Black Hand
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#33 - 2013-03-18 13:50:13 UTC
AFK Cloaker wrote:
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He just shut down an entire NS system... err I mean W&T thread.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#34 - 2013-03-18 14:43:05 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Mag's, if you don't want Local go to WH space!


It's not about wanting or not wanting local, it's about accepting the fact that the local system chat channel being used as an absolutely infallible, instant, and zero effort intel tool is broken and any shenanigans with afk cloaking arose as a result of that. You can't discuss "fixing" afk cloaking without addressing local, because local is the problem.
Friggz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-03-18 15:21:31 UTC
AFK cloakers do not have any effect.

If you as a pilot make a decision to dock up, that is your decision, that is you making it, end of story. The AFK cloaker didn't take control of your ship. It didn't put up a force field around the station.

AFK cloakers don't camp people into stations, extremely risk adverse players who shouldn't be in null sec to begin with do that to themselves.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#36 - 2013-03-18 16:13:07 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Mag's, if you don't want Local go to WH space!


It's not about wanting or not wanting local, it's about accepting the fact that the local system chat channel being used as an absolutely infallible, instant, and zero effort intel tool is broken and any shenanigans with afk cloaking arose as a result of that. You can't discuss "fixing" afk cloaking without addressing local, because local is the problem.


You really think that, I know people who get around local on the hunt, I also have seen people get caught even with local, the fact is that certain people want it easy, which is what no local will give them, they should HTFU.

People doing AFK cloaking is a play style choice, and personally I would leave cloaking as it is and I have no issues with AFK cloaking, I find it lame, but I have always got around it by doing other things.

if you want no local than go to WH space simple as that!

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-03-18 16:30:26 UTC
So how would you know the cloaker is afk... I turn off or on things like auto reject invites as well as deuling... maybe Im just flying around cloaked and ignoring people talking about me... I play 23/7. Sometimes people even send me isk to leave the system and if the price is right I'll leave.
Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-03-18 21:05:24 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Mag's, if you don't want Local go to WH space!


It's not about wanting or not wanting local, it's about accepting the fact that the local system chat channel being used as an absolutely infallible, instant, and zero effort intel tool is broken and any shenanigans with afk cloaking arose as a result of that. You can't discuss "fixing" afk cloaking without addressing local, because local is the problem.


Yep, that pretty much is it. Not that I see a big problem, just saying, local is a strange superpower for players to have.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#39 - 2013-03-18 21:29:29 UTC
Paul Panala wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Mag's, if you don't want Local go to WH space!


It's not about wanting or not wanting local, it's about accepting the fact that the local system chat channel being used as an absolutely infallible, instant, and zero effort intel tool is broken and any shenanigans with afk cloaking arose as a result of that. You can't discuss "fixing" afk cloaking without addressing local, because local is the problem.


Yep, that pretty much is it. Not that I see a big problem, just saying, local is a strange superpower for players to have.


Its not infallible, good players know ho to get around it, its not easy, but its doable. Too many people want Eve on easy!!!

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Ginger Barbarella
#40 - 2013-03-18 21:30:02 UTC
Paul Panala wrote:
Just wondering, how does everyone feel about AFK cloaking? What I mean, people who go to an enemy system and cloak instead of logging off, then stay there until downtime. Is this a good or bad part of the game?


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