These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

3 genuine questions for Mittens
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#61 - 2011-10-15 01:49:07 UTC
A Lunchbox wrote:
This is almost as funny as when Goons joined AOC and farmed level 20s in Khopshef province with level 80 chars for like 4 months. Freaking hillarious.

P.S. they got rolled out of the game by a giant NAP fest of carebear guilds burning their guild city to the ground. Just saying, carebears.


Goons got beaten by carebears in a game where men run half naked and women run with their boobs showing?

The irony.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#62 - 2011-10-15 02:08:25 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Goons got beaten by carebears in a game where men run half naked and women run with their boobs showing?

The irony.


Not ironic,depressing. Apparently the players of that game have twice the balls of the average whiny EvE Player.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Jita Alt666
#63 - 2011-10-15 02:26:45 UTC
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
In keeping with my instructions from CCP (under penalty of forum banning) to only post positve remarks concerning the Goons and the game I am hereby stating my full support for the actions of the Goons and applaud their effort to destroy the game balance (and indeed the game itself) through metagaming and mechanics exploitation.

BRAVO GOONS !


On a side note that has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GOONS,
My postings on third party game review forums have quadrupled in number and grown quite negtive in nature. Anyone reading them will certainly not bother trying EVE. (Hey, if the Goons are working to destroy EVE, then I should too.)



Im pretty sure posts like this will encourage more and more goons to come and enjoy eve.

You are helping CCP grow the game.
Adunh Slavy
#64 - 2011-10-15 03:39:25 UTC
Infinimo wrote:
Oxytope prices just went over 1000 because of lack of supply (not speculation this time) and we're still going strong
we set up a whole subforum, scoreboard and reward system for this. sorry to burst your bubble but it isn't ending any time soon


Assuming the campaign is very good and can shut down the majority of OxyIso, people will shift to the other fuels over time. The campaign will have to expand, and thus decrease the efficeny of the campaign and life will be back to normal of the occasional suicide in some bot infested ice belt.

Have fun while it lasts, but in the long run it won't change much.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#65 - 2011-10-15 03:50:31 UTC
Goddess Ishtar wrote:
I think somebody has forgotten that Eve Online is a game.


Quite right, but it's not the OP who's fallen to this, it's Mittens.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#66 - 2011-10-15 03:57:20 UTC
JamesCLK wrote:
Posting in a srs thread.

Goons aren't out to ruin THE game, they're out to ruin YOUR game.
This has always held true; afterall, why would goons try to ruin a game that caters to their favorite playstyle (namely being dicks <3)?

I always say: Less QQ, more PEW PEW. If you don't like bending over to goons, stand up and fight back.
Don't make yourself a target, use regular mining barges instead of exhumers. You'll still mine a bit of valuable ice when you don't get ganked, but losses won't hurt as much. Get creative and make defence pacts with other mining corps.

Right now, those hisec bears that are just backing down are being spineless slugs.
Don't like it?
Do something about it.

Just my 2 cents.

NB: I also think CCP would rather see how the economy adjusts and/or recovers, than step in and ban the oh so lovely goons.
EDIT: Clarification - Mittens is tired of people thinking hisec is safe, he finds great joy in proving the contrary. Tears ensue.
Adapt or die.


This.

EVE's Carebears need to stop being such revoltingly soft and squishy entitlement-menatlity victims, and grow some ******* teeth.

Oh, and like I said, it seems like it's Mittens taking this game too seriously, not us "pubbies. (whatever those are)."

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
FlamesOfHeaven
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2011-10-15 04:15:24 UTC
Well.. all I know know is that Oxygen Isotope shortage is just gonna screw ppl using gallente control tower and some supercaps (Nyx ).

Straving the supercaps? Sounds like a plan.

Dont see why theres alot of cheese/wine lately.
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2011-10-15 05:20:52 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Question 1) Why does Empire need to be sent "into a panic" with "drought and pestilence everywhere"?

Question 2) As the CSM chair (with it's inherent Eve representation), you're OK that this potentially ruins the economic model for everyone?

Question 3) If the economic model is smashed by inflation, do you realize that CCP could simply become proactive on indy ganking and stop it all. Are you giving them cause?


I was going to reply to this with a nice thoughtful explanation, mostly about pointing out that the backbone of the EVE Online economy is founded on miner bots and if the economic model is based on something that is against the freaking rules and if we feel that CCP is not fulfilling their obligation to clean up this mess then by god, we can certainly help out...

... Followed up with a quick reply pointing out that by allowing these fat afk pubbies to dominate highsec unmolested then they gain an incorrectly large amount of influence over the economy, CCP's ear, et cetera, which compounds every other problem with the game (See also: recent mission buffs that benefit AFK Mission runners combined with nerfs to Nullsec Sanctums) ...

... Followed up one more time with the fact that killing them is fun and there's nothing against the rules in it ....

I was going to post something like that.

But then I realized it's The Apostle. Making a "WAAH, GOONIES ARE MEAN" thread. AGAIN.

Buddha gently caressing Jesus in a love shack, this is what, your 15th thread crying about Mittani, Goons, or Mittani being in Goons? And to say nothing about the dozens upon dozens of replies you put in every thread mentioning Goons?

I never thought I'd have to say this on the EVE forums of all places, cause god knows I need one too (hell, I'm a nullsec anom runner that didn't quit after the Sanctum nerf), but I'll say it:

GET A LIFE.
Avid Bumhumper
Beekeepers Anonymous
#69 - 2011-10-15 05:29:33 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
non judgement wrote:
If/when they stop, wont you see heaps of people mining again and making isk from the inflated prices, and after awhile everything will slowly return to normal?

CCP might think it'd be interesting to see how well the Economy recovers from something like this.

Yeah, valid point. I have mentioned myself that it really needs to be a very long and sustained campaign to have the effect Mittens claims he's after.

It's why I'm asking because they can't do it but have convinced their members they can.


every single moon reaction on a gallente tower (the best :effort: tower for anything but carbides) now loses money except fullerides and nanotransistors which are insanely profitable for some reason) because fueling a gallente pos costs 500m a month



It only costs 500 mil a month if your dumb enough not to stockpile....

My Tinfoil hat has been sugically implanted, so no,it is not for sale.....
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2011-10-15 05:30:38 UTC
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
On a side note that has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GOONS,
My postings on third party game review forums have quadrupled in number and grown quite negtive in nature. Anyone reading them will certainly not bother trying EVE. (Hey, if the Goons are working to destroy EVE, then I should too.)


More tears, man, I can still see some dry parts of your keyboard.
Vastek Non
State War Academy
Caldari State
#71 - 2011-10-15 05:54:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Vastek Non
The Apostle wrote:
Hey, yes, this a serious request to get this answered.

Picked up this snippet posted recently (by Mittens) from a popular site starting with k. Feel free to find and read the whole post for context if you think you need to.

xxxxx snip xxxxxx
Quote:
Though we've had a crushing grip on Empire's oxygen windpipe there were the remaining pockets of oxygen stockpilers and speculators have been leaking onto the market, betting against us. Those stockpiles appear to be reaching their end: sell orders have started thinning out, and buy orders have begun marching steadily upwards. There's only a few largeish orders that's the last real barrier between sustained 1k prices. Oxygen prices have already nearly destroyed gallente reactor profitability: 1k and above should be enough to shut them down and send Empire into a panic. After all, once it's clear the interdiction is working, if you need oxygen for you ships or your towers suddenly it's time to get it before it goes even higher.

At that point, all hell breaks loose as the well runs dry. Drought and pestilence everywhere.


I'm going to ignore the "lolz" and "personal gain" ethos that has been attributed to this campaign and seek a response based on the underlined points.

Mittens. If you're right and the interdiction DOES bring empire to it's knees it will only do so because you will push inflation through the roof.

This genuinly concerns me so I ask these questions in a contrite manner and will refrain from being a smartass.

Question 1) Why does Empire need to be sent "into a panic" with "drought and pestilence everywhere"?

Question 2) As the CSM chair (with it's inherent Eve representation), you're OK that this potentially ruins the economic model for everyone?

Question 3) If the economic model is smashed by inflation, do you realize that CCP could simply become proactive on indy ganking and stop it all. Are you giving them cause?



You would be amazed at how game mechanics have changed over the years as a direct result of goons exploiting various situations. 'Bumping' is one of the better known ones.
Personally I hope this will result in Insurance payouts for suicided ships in high sec being removed.. but such is hope.

Edit: Starving Gallente Supercaps is a good thing. Even this campaign has the odd benefit or two.


And as for why this all started - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=15467

I'm guessing that the 'Mittens 2012 election campaign' was starting to look a little shaky. On that 'K' website it was being pointed out that the whole issue of 'botting' on the linked thread didn't look too good (and it doesn't).
What does an honest politician do when his dirty laundry is being waved around in public?

Start a war.
Mara Tessidar
Perkone
Caldari State
#72 - 2011-10-15 05:56:03 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Question 1) Why does Empire need to be sent "into a panic" with "drought and pestilence everywhere"?

Question 2) As the CSM chair (with it's inherent Eve representation), you're OK that this potentially ruins the economic model for everyone?

Question 3) If the economic model is smashed by inflation, do you realize that CCP could simply become proactive on indy ganking and stop it all. Are you giving them cause?


1. Because we're Goons.
2. Yes...because we're Goons.
3. They've done it before, and they're thinking about doing it again, and we'll find a way around it again...because we're Goons.
Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2011-10-15 06:04:13 UTC
Avid Bumhumper wrote:
It only costs 500 mil a month if your dumb enough not to stockpile....


Opportunity costs...how do they work?!
Tear Miner
Doomheim
#74 - 2011-10-15 06:06:04 UTC
Is there some way to take away The Apostle's 400+ likes for this one thread?

Seriously, guy? This is a video game. Look at all the drama it causes, and I bet CCP is going to make mention of this to ADVERTISE how much of a sandbox build your own empire change the world etc. type of game Eve Online is.

I don't know.... maybe, just maybe do something useful and come up with a counter to the oxygen isotope crisis, in-game, instead of whining about it on the forums.
Fuujin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#75 - 2011-10-15 06:06:43 UTC
Avid Bumhumper wrote:



It only costs 500 mil a month if your dumb enough not to stockpile....


You know if you mine the oxygen isotopes, they're free!
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2011-10-15 06:12:47 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Goons got beaten by carebears in a game where men run half naked and women run with their boobs showing?

The irony.


Not ironic,depressing. Apparently the players of that game have twice the balls of the average whiny EvE Player.


Actually, it's just that AoC is utter **** and Goons burning it could only IMPROVE that one. That and after 4 months of Goons trolling it the game was dead. Not cause of Goons trolling, but because, well, did I mention AoC is a bad bad game?
Vastek Non
State War Academy
Caldari State
#77 - 2011-10-15 06:19:57 UTC
Xython wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Goons got beaten by carebears in a game where men run half naked and women run with their boobs showing?

The irony.


Not ironic,depressing. Apparently the players of that game have twice the balls of the average whiny EvE Player.


Actually, it's just that AoC is utter **** and Goons burning it could only IMPROVE that one. That and after 4 months of Goons trolling it the game was dead. Not cause of Goons trolling, but because, well, did I mention AoC is a bad bad game?


Didn't want that game anyways
Shadowsword
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2011-10-15 06:32:31 UTC
The Apostle wrote:

Question 1) Why does Empire need to be sent "into a panic" with "drought and pestilence everywhere"?

Question 2) As the CSM chair (with it's inherent Eve representation), you're OK that this potentially ruins the economic model for everyone?

Question 3) If the economic model is smashed by inflation, do you realize that CCP could simply become proactive on indy ganking and stop it all. Are you giving them cause?



1/ Because they have fun doing it. Is there need of a better reason? They also get money from it.

2/ Official IRL position =/= InGame position.

3/ You're overestimating the Goons if you think they'll disrupt the market. All they do is redistribute a bit the cards where profitability is concerned.
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
#79 - 2011-10-15 07:21:38 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
In keeping with my instructions from CCP (under penalty of forum banning) to only post positve remarks concerning the Goons and the game I am hereby stating my full support for the actions of the Goons and applaud their effort to destroy the game balance (and indeed the game itself) through metagaming and mechanics exploitation.

BRAVO GOONS !


On a side note that has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GOONS,
My postings on third party game review forums have quadrupled in number and grown quite negtive in nature. Anyone reading them will certainly not bother trying EVE. (Hey, if the Goons are working to destroy EVE, then I should too.)



Im pretty sure posts like this will encourage more and more goons to come and enjoy eve.

You are helping CCP grow the game.


Well glad you approve.. I'll keep doing it.
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
#80 - 2011-10-15 07:26:57 UTC
Xython wrote:
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
On a side note that has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GOONS,
My postings on third party game review forums have quadrupled in number and grown quite negtive in nature. Anyone reading them will certainly not bother trying EVE. (Hey, if the Goons are working to destroy EVE, then I should too.)


More tears, man, I can still see some dry parts of your keyboard.


I'm not crying.. CCP is... after all it's their goat that gets axed..

as for ice.. I could not care less.. I don't use it or need it.
I'm just doing what I was told to.