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3 genuine questions for Mittens
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The Apostle
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-10-14 22:31:34 UTC  |  Edited by: The Apostle
Hey, yes, this a serious request to get this answered.

Picked up this snippet posted recently (by Mittens) from a popular site starting with k. Feel free to find and read the whole post for context if you think you need to.

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Though we've had a crushing grip on Empire's oxygen windpipe there were the remaining pockets of oxygen stockpilers and speculators have been leaking onto the market, betting against us. Those stockpiles appear to be reaching their end: sell orders have started thinning out, and buy orders have begun marching steadily upwards. There's only a few largeish orders that's the last real barrier between sustained 1k prices. Oxygen prices have already nearly destroyed gallente reactor profitability: 1k and above should be enough to shut them down and send Empire into a panic. After all, once it's clear the interdiction is working, if you need oxygen for you ships or your towers suddenly it's time to get it before it goes even higher.

At that point, all hell breaks loose as the well runs dry. Drought and pestilence everywhere.


I'm going to ignore the "lolz" and "personal gain" ethos that has been attributed to this campaign and seek a response based on the underlined points.

Mittens. If you're right and the interdiction DOES bring empire to it's knees it will only do so because you will push inflation through the roof.

This genuinly concerns me so I ask these questions in a contrite manner and will refrain from being a smartass.

Question 1) Why does Empire need to be sent "into a panic" with "drought and pestilence everywhere"?

Question 2) As the CSM chair (with it's inherent Eve representation), you're OK that this potentially ruins the economic model for everyone?

Question 3) If the economic model is smashed by inflation, do you realize that CCP could simply become proactive on indy ganking and stop it all. Are you giving them cause?

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]
Goddess Ishtar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-10-14 22:32:31 UTC
I think somebody has forgotten that Eve Online is a game.
Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Doomheim
#3 - 2011-10-14 22:33:47 UTC
I can answer these, I think:

1) Goons set out to destroy any MMO they enter.

2) See #1.

3) See #1.
The Apostle
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-10-14 22:35:03 UTC
Goddess Ishtar wrote:
I think somebody has forgotten that Eve Online is a game.

Correct. But I think you'll agree that a lot of RL cash and RL time goes into making it the game it is. YEARS of RL investment in fact.

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John Rothman
Mad Stacks
#5 - 2011-10-14 22:35:48 UTC
Goddess Ishtar wrote:
I think somebody has forgotten that Eve Online is a game.


^ this


If they can make profit on it, and they have fun doing it, why give a flying frak about you?
Infinimo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-10-14 22:35:56 UTC
hahaha

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#7 - 2011-10-14 22:36:17 UTC
EVE's economy has value in that it generates gameplay and player stories, not because we need to meet our annual GNP goal. A chaotic, fluctuating commodities market is a terrible thing to happen in RL, but an awesome thing to happen in a game.

Economic warfare of this kind is much like shooting warfare. Horrible on the news, awesome in game.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Infinimo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2011-10-14 22:36:45 UTC
I don't speak for mittens but
1) because we can
2) yes
3) lmao

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Infinimo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-10-14 22:37:14 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
EVE's economy has value in that it generates gameplay and player stories, not because we need to meet our annual GNP goal. A chaotic, fluctuating commodities market is a terrible thing to happen in RL, but an awesome thing to happen in a game.

Economic warfare of this kind is much like shooting warfare. Horrible on the news, awesome in game.

thanks for ruining my double post you meany

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Goddess Ishtar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-10-14 22:38:02 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Goddess Ishtar wrote:
I think somebody has forgotten that Eve Online is a game.

Correct. But I think you'll agree that a lot of RL cash and RL time goes into making it the game it is. YEARS of RL investment in fact.

So what? Nothing we are doing is against the rules and if CCP attempted to shield the carebears by changing the rules it would have a much bigger negative impact on the game than anything we're doing. That's what you're asking them to do, isn't it--provide some sort of mechanism where people in highsec are completely safe all the time?
Infinimo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2011-10-14 22:39:58 UTC
Goddess Ishtar wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
Goddess Ishtar wrote:
I think somebody has forgotten that Eve Online is a game.

Correct. But I think you'll agree that a lot of RL cash and RL time goes into making it the game it is. YEARS of RL investment in fact.

So what? Nothing we are doing is against the rules and if CCP attempted to shield the carebears by changing the rules it would have a much bigger negative impact on the game than anything we're doing. That's what you're asking them to do, isn't it--provide some sort of mechanism where people in highsec are completely safe all the time?

not emptyquoting

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non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#12 - 2011-10-14 22:40:02 UTC
If/when they stop, wont you see heaps of people mining again and making isk from the inflated prices, and after awhile everything will slowly return to normal?

CCP might think it'd be interesting to see how well the Economy recovers from something like this.
The Apostle
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-10-14 22:40:05 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
EVE's economy has value in that it generates gameplay and player stories, not because we need to meet our annual GNP goal. A chaotic, fluctuating commodities market is a terrible thing to happen in RL, but an awesome thing to happen in a game.

Economic warfare of this kind is much like shooting warfare. Horrible on the news, awesome in game.

I'll accept that economic warfare can be fun but it's a no win for anybody unless the protaganist has or can manipulate all of the goods. They don't nor can they.

They can maipulate the production but that just fuels general inflation, for all parties. Why bother?

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Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-10-14 22:41:23 UTC
Goons have notoriously short attention spans. They will not be able to keep this prolonged Gallente-Ice-Thing adventure up for much longer, before they get bored and move on to something else.

That said, I think it's great they are doing what they are doing. It breathes some much needed life into the game. It's the players who create the conflict and content, and players have been in a malaise since Incarna released. That the Goons are on this little escapade and raising the hackles of players everywhere ... goddamned ******* awesome!
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-10-14 22:42:56 UTC
All your questions could be answered with a single answer.

The Mittani is an ass who would rather see EvE fail than do the right and responsible thing as CSM chair to help CCP improve EvE.

This is the typical assinine mentality of a Goon. Can't expect anything less from thier leader. Frankly I seriously doubt he is actually causing the damage he wants to Empire.

But...it is a sandbox game. If Goonswarm wants to act as the "cancer of EvE" that it is and work towards EvE's destruction and downfall then so be it. Perhaps CCP will ban them from EvE like Second Life did so long ago.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
The Apostle
Doomheim
#16 - 2011-10-14 22:42:57 UTC
non judgement wrote:
If/when they stop, wont you see heaps of people mining again and making isk from the inflated prices, and after awhile everything will slowly return to normal?

CCP might think it'd be interesting to see how well the Economy recovers from something like this.

Yeah, valid point. I have mentioned myself that it really needs to be a very long and sustained campaign to have the effect Mittens claims he's after.

It's why I'm asking because they can't do it but have convinced their members they can.

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Infinimo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2011-10-14 22:45:45 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Goons have notoriously short attention spans. They will not be able to keep this prolonged Gallente-Ice-Thing adventure up for much longer, before they get bored and move on to something else.

That said, I think it's great they are doing what they are doing. It breathes some much needed life into the game. It's the players who create the conflict and content, and players have been in a malaise since Incarna released. That the Goons are on this little escapade and raising the hackles of players everywhere ... goddamned ******* awesome!

Oxytope prices just went over 1000 because of lack of supply (not speculation this time) and we're still going strong
we set up a whole subforum, scoreboard and reward system for this. sorry to burst your bubble but it isn't ending any time soon

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2011-10-14 22:47:25 UTC
Kazanir and I actually wrote that, mittens reposted it to kugu

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Trainwreck McGee
Doomheim
#19 - 2011-10-14 22:47:32 UTC
To me Goons bring out the beauty in the sandbox.

And no i'm not sucking up to them they can royally go **** themselves.

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Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#20 - 2011-10-14 22:49:12 UTC
If EVE economy is gonna get ruined, the main credit for this goes to CCP with their absurd CONCORD bounty payments.

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