Crime & Punishment

So...the reason people are claiming accounts were 'compromised' (by one/both parties) seems to be unclear.


For those unfamiliar with titans, I can see why you might be confused.



The fact is, somebody had to log in those 4 pilots, to eject from the titans. One does not simply park in space.

So the only thing in question, is whether those accounts were shared (as admitted by c0ven) or accessed 'illegaly' by other parties. But that question doesn't matter.



It all seems pretty damn clear to me, and according to the EULA (and CCP's stated policy on account sharing) there are only two reasonable outcomes:

1. All 4 titan accounts belong to one person, no other people have accessed the accounts = NC. keeps the haul. Nobody gets banned.

2. Some or all of the titan accounts belonged to, or were accessed by, multiple people, with or without authorisation = stolen assets get returned (keep reading), all accounts directly associated with 'account sharing' IPs are banned.


edit: ultimately it's up to CCP what happens here, but if they follow their own policies it can only go one of these two ways.

that would probably work... IF you hadn't signed under already. Where i come from you should have stated that you don't understand the contract before signing under.

I wonder if CCP will run this like most IT companies I know of.

At my old workplace, the second a customer made any sort of legal "noise", policy was to suspend access to services until the legal issues were worked out. Even if the company wasn't directly involved, if the accusations were made with company service involved, plugs got pulled. Liability and all that jazz.

It would be funny if coven managed to talk themselves into even more account troubles on top of this alleged theft, using the "we're going to the popo!" argument.

NVM, I don't know enough about titans to really comment here.

Damn...I guess wanting to get the RL authorities involved because someone stole their internet space pixels is the ultimate tears.

You signed the contract when you hit, "I agree". At that point, it doesn't matter if you claim you understand the contract or not--you are legally-responsible for maintaining your end of the agreement. Claiming you don't understand it only applies up until the put your John Hancock on it, or you click the associated button.

This is why you shouldn't download bots.

Titan 101: Titans cannot dock. So they are either left floating in a POS ( player Owned Station ), or a dedicated Titan pilot character logs off while flying one.

If they are left in a POS, they can be boarded by anyone with access to that POS. POS are either secured by corp membership, or they are secured by a set password.

If the POS contains very valuable items, like Titans, then trusting to Corp membership to keep them secure is foolish.

But passwords are only as secure as your decisions about who to give them to.

Accounts not hacked == CCP cheers

(in game theft by someone who has voluntarily been given access to game accounts with correct rights to enable theft - great with CCP. Its all economic turnover and grist for engines of PVP conflict. )


Accounts hacked == CCP will ban someone if possible.

(hack == use clearly unrelated IP with normal user IP usage remaining same. Repeated password guessing attemtps would be icing on proof. No evidence suggesting that IP differences are normal users gone on vacation. Nope, successfully stealing account password is not considered legal in game theft by CCP as some suggest - even if clues were found in game. )



Reimbursement for hacked accounts?: Slightly different question.

CCP may use this as public decision point if Titan control accounts were hacked by outside party.

Account sharing against strict EULA sure -- but historically CCP used to give open exception to that when Titans could potentially be attacked while pilot was logged off (many years ago). Always having live pilot was only way to survive.

Not sure that policy has been updated clearly as things have changed. Plus logging of Titan pilot is still an act that may result in finding enemies gathered where you logged off. Better to stay live and moving or under POS shield but able to move around system or cyno out.

CCP could rule that Titans still justify 24x7 live pilots and egg swapping a Titan is understandably too risky on regular basis. Thus CCP might continue to make an exception on account sharing for capitals that cannot dock. However, that exception will not extend to reimbursement if a regular authorized user absconds with ship - and it may not cover hacking due to increased risks of shared accounts. Titans have always been treated a bit differently with a strong tendency towards "tough luck - build another".

That is still illegal HERE where I live. If I give you my bank card and its password, and you go to the ATM , log on it , you are accessing the system faking your identity. Its still a crime here even if I helped you, in that case both parts would be involved in the crime. Obviously nothing would happen because the owner of the bank account would not press charges on this case. So for example, If someone from my own country log into my eve account , no matters how he got the password, I can charge him as faking my identity. If he has no criminal background he will get an official legal warning if no damage was done, but if he has some criminal background he can get into trouble.