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Need advice on a fast semi gank-proof ship for hauling approx 4000m3 around jita.
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Kodama Ikari
Thragon
#21 - 2013-03-19 15:41:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Kodama Ikari
Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:
perspective of someone who actually ganks for profit


Thanks for the useful info. Do you only use 1 tornado?

salpad wrote:
Is unscannable cargo hold always a good thing?
If you're not AFK, it won't matter. If you are AFK, its only bad if you typically AFK with 200 - 400m worth of stuff. That is to say, a cargo valuable enough to make its loss plus the ship painful, but not so valuable that the if guy willing to gank you completely blindly could have scanned you, he would have seen the cargo and ignored you. Then again, back when blockade runners were scannable, the guy doing the scanning could always calculate the value wrong, or the guys in tornado could be bored and looking to take a chance and move on. Really, the answer is just to not be AFK if you don't mind losing your ship.

Some first-hand PI tips
Rhamnousia Nosferatu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-03-19 16:20:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Rhamnousia Nosferatu
Kodama Ikari wrote:
Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:
perspective of someone who actually ganks for profit

Thanks for the useful info. Do you only use 1 tornado?


I do, but you'll find that ganking gangs are plentiful (got to know several groups since I've started doing this).
My primary motive is in fact (significant) profit so you won't see me ganking miners or random, low value haulers (I do kill folks with suspect flags whenever I can thought). However guys I've met and got to know killed a lot (and I do mean a LOT) of stuff just for the lols, so there are no guarantees that my advice will work in 100% of situations Blink

As for blocade runner ganking, I haven't personaly done it (it's really a lottery), which doesn't mean that I don't get an itchy finger every time I see one. One of these days I just might decide to scratch it.... Twisted
Kryxal
Wing Born Echos
#23 - 2013-03-19 18:24:21 UTC
Another thing about using Blockade Runners ... if you're doing it right, you should be virtually impossible to catch. Don't use the Perimeter-Jita gate, make a warp to zero BM instead of just warping to 4-4, use insta-undocks, and of course use that cloak you have! For that matter, if you're feeling REALLY paranoid, do the pickup from the POCOs by warping to about 6k and go into orbit at 2k (it's slightly larger, but you'll be within 2500, so you drop cloak, drag cargo in, cloak up, break away).
Backfyre
Hohmann Transfer
#24 - 2013-03-20 17:01:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Backfyre
For T1, I use a tanked iteron 5 and get about 12,000 EHP. That's about all you get without going to a T2.

A note on ganking damage - review some goon ganks to get an idea on numbers. In a 0.5 system, a destroyer can lay out about 11k damage and a brutix can do 25k. Obviously less in Jita.

At 200M in cargo, a 12M destroyer (or two) will take a bite at you. With insta-warp undocks and warping to 0 to gate or station, you significantly reduce your risk.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#25 - 2013-03-20 17:19:12 UTC
Backfyre wrote:
For T1, I use a tanked iteron 5 and get about 12,000 EHP. That's about all you get without going to a T2.

A note on ganking damage - review some goon ganks to get an idea on numbers. In a 0.5 system, a destroyer can lay out about 11k damage and a brutix can do 25k. Obviously less in Jita.

At 200M in cargo, a 12M destroyer (or two) will take a bite at you. With insta-warp undocks and warping to 0 to gate or station, you significantly reduce your risk.


An Itty V can get 20-30k EHP.... depending on how many lows you designate to Bulkheads instead of cargo expanders...
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-03-21 15:43:43 UTC
Here's a tanked Itty Fit that may fit your needs.... No implants, just skills.

[Iteron Mark V, Tanked Itty]

Low
Damage Control II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Power Diagnostic System II

MID
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Shield Recharger II

HIGH
Improved Cloaking Device II
Small Nosferatu II

RIGS
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

EHP is 16998
Passive shield recharge is 286
Resists are 39/51/63/69 - shields
58/45/45/24 - armor
Cargo 7500m3
Price @36Million

I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-03-21 16:11:37 UTC
Or if You like to bring the fight to the gankers......

[Iteron Mark V, Assault Itty]

LOW
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

MID
Patterned Stasis Web I
Patterned Stasis Web I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Warp Disruptor II
Cap Recharger II

HIGH
Modal Electron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Small Nosferatu II

RIGS
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

EHP is 10,062
DPS is 87
Passive shield recharge is 19
Resists are 39/51/63/69 - shields
58/45/45/24 - armor
Cargo 7500m3
Price @26Million

Just hold them, drain them, and slap them to death while laughing away in chat Twisted

I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-03-24 17:12:04 UTC
4k cargo hurricane.

Lows full of expanders, rigs with expander rigs,
one GSC with 3900m³ + 100m³ left,
fit four large shield extenders or invuls or whatever you want.

Gives you plenty of EHP.
Ackemi
The Gaming Avenue
Shadow Ultimatum
#29 - 2013-03-26 15:57:27 UTC
In the T1 only cruiser or below range:


[Scythe, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Warp Core Stabilizer I
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor S
[empty high slot]

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I


30k+ EHP.
Fit meta if needed.
1300m3 Cargo.
Faster align.
Single point won't hold you at a gate.
KM whore on those that do try!
Likely they won't even bother to scan you...
You will be able to use the logi ship if you want to Pvp in fleets.
CENTUREAN
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-03-29 07:11:38 UTC
All this over 200m?....... Lol what?


I used to haul 3-5b a week to jita from losec every week in a t1 frig semi-afk.


I auto piloted a frigate to jita with 2.5b in the cargo hold and fell asleep. Woke up with pod in space. It was only 2.5b though, not worth worrying about.
Corale Runes
pact of steel
#31 - 2013-03-31 19:33:10 UTC
Bloody hell its not hard use a cov ops hauler DO NOT autopilot the hold is unscannable, sod it even warp cloaked all the time
Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha
Vigilante Carebears
#32 - 2013-03-31 20:32:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha
Mammoth

EHP: 15,242
Shield HP: 6,643
Shield Resistances: 49/59/69/65

High Power
1x Miner II
1x Prototype Cloaking Device I

Medium Power
1x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
4x Medium Shield Extenders II

Low Power
2x Power Diagnostic System II
2x Expanded Cargohold II

Rig Slots
1x Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforce I
1x Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
1x Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
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