Missions & Complexes

So i fly a golem with near max skills. 900 ish dps w/o drones out to 68km with javs and its really an awesome ship for lvl 4's, but after 4 yrs of mission running i need a change.

So Ive been training towards a mach and while im far from optimal skills for it is it really worth the change. The time its gonna take to skill to the equivalent that i have for the golem is going to be a long investment.

So is it really worth it to make the switch over to the mach? Its not a question of isk as i can make a bil a weekend cherry picking missions.

Also ive ran the number thru eft and while the dps seems to be more than what im currently pulling with the golem i don't really understand how falloff/ optimal plays into effective dps. Ive read the countless threads on this but i still haven't wrapped my head around it. Just a whole different world than spamming missiles with typical caldari boats.

How are u getting 1.1k dps. Even with all skills at 5 im only seeing 942dps w/o drones.
Thats with 4 rf gyros, 3 rf te, and 800 tech 2's.

Of course thats without rigs so maybe it could be more, but even trying out various rigs im not seeing the 1.1k dps that you have stated and others in previous threads before this as well. Am i missing something?

Im using eft so using the default max skills is where im getting my numbers.

I just dont see where those high dps numbers can possibly be coming from.

Well I can get the total dps on par with that now, but thats with implants 5%. I would assume you have a full set.
As for the volley damage it seems im about 300 short from your screenshot. What would make the difference in this?

nevermind.

I am pretty sure goldiee uses the same ship for incursions, so switching rigs won't work for him.

I find the mach burns through missions far quicker than a golem if the NPC are beyond you Rage torpedo range, which happens a lot. It is a very different ship to fly and you need to pay a little more attention to damage and cap usage. But it is a worthy switch. Mine is no where near as shiney as Goldiee's, I only have 4 faction gyro's(from LP store) and a Pth c XL booster. I have plus 4 implants and with meta 4 guns and faction ammo do just under 1k DPS. I also prefer the 100mn AB version as I can zipp around cap stable with the ab on.

If the golem could manage 5 sentries and 5 lights.. it would be a much better ship to use

Faction TEs aren't worth the price. It just gives more tracking than t2 TEs, and AC has plenty of tracking already.

Sebos instead of TEs are not a good idea, outside of incursion vgs. Every bit of falloff matters. You need these TEs. Frig rats will die soon enough anyway.

I don't know what you have trained or not trained, but with all my gunnery skills at 5 and choosing the right ammo my falloff is about 25km outside my actual targeting range, without the Tracking Computer II. Additionally, everything I kill is on approach with angular velocities a full .0200 to .920 rad/sec below my tracking.

So when I think of what I need more than falloff (not within my targeting range), and tracking (outside the rats optimal abilities), I end up with:
A. Scan res, for faster lock times.
B. Targeting range, for when I want to start locking before the distances close (You know when they are in my furthest falloff).

The faction TE are prohibitively expensive with their primary benefit not being the pittance of an extra 5% falloff and tracking, but in their 45% (give or take) reduction in CPU requirements, thus freeing up CPU to accommodate for a slightly better XL-Shield booster, as well as many other possible CPU expenses sacrificed to the fitting god.

Over the last couple years of flying this ship and trying to Min/Max its performance I have gone through 4 different T2 riggings, probably 40 or 50 different setups, mostly suggested ones. What I have learned from all this is that absolutely nobody knows how to fit and fly another persons’ Machariel, if skills are to low it can be under tanked or so far below optimal damage that it should be reclassified as a cruiser. Without properly training advanced weapons upgrades to V there is little to no chance that anyone would get to enjoy 1400’s and the monstrous Alphas that they can do from distances that can easily hold a nightmare at bay, Or alpha a cruiser from 200km with a 14k hit. The one thing I do know is a ship that is bonused to the armpits for falloff probably doesn’t need that much more falloff added through fittings so much as the pilot needing more skills trained.

Not worth much, but it’s my two cents worth.

Exactly my point. Just falloff though, optimal isn't relevant for ACs.



Your targeting range with Mach should be around 77km, compared to 75km falloff. You can fight in 2x falloff, but it's not recommended, as dps drops off sharply outside 1x falloff. Falloff curve isn't flat. Ideally, aim for ~50% falloff, for 80% dps, right on that fat part of the curve. If your falloff is 25km outside of locking range, you have serious skill issues that needs to be corrected.

Between Mach's small sig and high scan resolution in the BS class, locking speed is already high. More than fast enough for mission grinding.

Arty snipe is no good for missions. They're the lowest dps guns in Eve. Combined with fitting mods and no drone dps that reaches, you're looking at less than half applied dps as ACs fighting in 50% falloff. No one's going to stop you from doing it, but that doesn't change the fact that it's horribly gimped compared to AC under normal circumstances.

Faction TEs don't give any more falloff than t2, just more tracking, and it's 0.5% (10% vs 9.5%), not 5%. Utterly not worth the price. The cpu difference is tiny. CPU implant is cheaper and makes a bigger dent.

QFT. Even in a destroyer and running L1/L2 missions, I spend an inordinate amount of time waiting for target lock. Lock six targets, wait for target lock, fire six individual weapons, 6 enemies blow up. Lock up the next six, wait for target lock, fire the weapons which have been waiting for me, 6 enemies blow up.

This is especially pertinent to ships attempting to shoot small targets with large turrets: you don't have the luxury of waiting: the extra two seconds is the difference between popping the frigate on approach or having to deal with it later using drones (and unless you fit webs specifically for this job, killing small fast ships with drones is painful). These small ships are travelling around 3km/s on approach, and in the missions where you meet them they'll be starting as close as 10km away.