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Finish WiS: Kickstarter or Paid Expansion

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#101 - 2013-03-25 17:50:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Roisin Connor wrote:
I just do not get guys that are not interested in WiS. Who would not want to explore a space station or wreck? Why would you not want to make Eve even better and more immersive?
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You (and others) are making a lot of assumptions regarding what has been proposed by players vs. what CCP can (or will) actually deliver. And that's one of the big problems. Player expectations far exceed CCP's present capability both financially and technologically.

if CCP could make multi-avatar interaction work (as expected) within the limits of their budget and technological capabilities, they would have done it. This is no different then the problem they have with their server node software not supporting more than 1 CPU. If they were capable of fixing it given the resources available, they would have.

Maybe a kickstarter project should be created instead to subsidize replacing incompatible player hardware and operating systems? That is another glaring bottleneck in what is preventing CCP from delivering WIS in a form that even remotely meets baseline player expectations.

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Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#102 - 2013-03-25 20:15:12 UTC
Irya Boone wrote:
Or .. or Why not the team who develop DUST just bring some Code to the matrix to open the door and make capsuleers Go on planets or Aboard Structures In space like scouting in Sleepers structures or abandonned structures , etc etc
And make a Big HALL ( cantina ) per systems ( on the Temperate planet ) Roll

And why NOT one day on a temperate planet DUST Vs EVE in a FPS style

Actually, one of the things that seemed to have been looked at by a few people at CCP was something just like that. They had a prototype for us being able to send combat clones to derelicts that were too difficult to salvage with shipboard equipment, but it leaves your ship vulnerable from you leaving it, and if more than one person wants that salvage, shooting may occur.

Tippia wrote:
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
As far as I'm concerned, Incarnageddon had nothing to do with the expansion's actual content (or lack thereof), but rather a combination of CCP yet again failing to deliver, plus the greed letter, plus the cash shop with ludicrous prices in a paid MMO. These three things created a perfect storm. That is all.

That all depends on how you choose to slice it. It really could be condensed into “arrogance”, but the details that make up that display are a couple more than just those thee points. Also, it depends on what you mean by “not the actual content”. Sure, if the alternate UI (which is all the CQ is) had been released as a single bulletpoint in a proper expansion, it might not have caused as many waves as it did, but since the content was at the very centre of the expansion hype, the fact that it lacked any content would have caused quite a stir even without the other failures surrounding its release.

Exactly. INcarna was supposed to be ALL about WiS, and all we got were captains quarters, so CCP essentially brought us one thing, and it didn't really have a point to it (since all you can do in CQ really, is sit), so there was massive backlash by players not wanting this one thing to come at the expense of everything else.

THe problem is CCP has gone too far the other way, and WiS is back to being vaporware, because CCP is too scared of the hardliner FiS players to dare devote an actual team to WiS
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#103 - 2013-03-27 08:00:55 UTC
My opinion since Incarna and after banging my head endless times against the Door, it's that WiS is beyond a horizon that keeps moving away from CCP.

WiS is the issue that goes after SOV fixes, which are the issue that goes after modular POSes, which are the issue that goes after POS iteration.

And the goal is just moving away and away. POS iteration has been dismantled and will be implemented across several expansions -but it was due this summer. Modular POSes, aka "POSes for the masses", plain don't have a development date and risk to follow WiS into shelving. Then SOV fixes, well, SOV mechanics are on the verge of collapse now, and their fixes are at least three expansions into the future: Odyssey to start fixing POSes, next one to keep fixing POSes and maybe start POS modularization, and a third one to finish modularization of POSes and start setting SOV fixes, and on the fourth, Summer 2015, yes, nullsec fixes. Or, shelve modular POSes and fix whatever is left of nullsec by summer 2014...

Currently the only piece of space that somehow works is hisec, and it's not deemed to work for long nor serve any purpose in EVE. Lowsec is a healthy walking dead and nullsec is meeting its natural expiracy date; mechanics bound to kill themselves, eventually will kill themselves.

So all in all, WiS is beyond the horizon... the horizon is moving away... and CCP can't catch up with it. Bear
Mikhem
Taxisk Unlimited
#104 - 2013-03-30 09:09:38 UTC
Mikhem wrote:
I would be ready to pay full game price for WIS expansion if it was sold in stores.

I think there should be poll that asks how many people are ready to do the same.


WIS expansion could be free but there could also be boxed version out. It contains code that gives lots of aurum and only one code can be registered / account. That makes boxed version worth buying.

Mikhem

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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#105 - 2013-03-30 10:05:15 UTC
Mikhem wrote:
Mikhem wrote:
I would be ready to pay full game price for WIS expansion if it was sold in stores.

I think there should be poll that asks how many people are ready to do the same.


WIS expansion could be free but there could also be boxed version out. It contains code that gives lots of aurum and only one code can be registered / account. That makes boxed version worth buying.


If you were going to buy a boxed version you would want some kind of limited edition content. A load of aurum wouldn't really cut it.

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Demica Diaz
SE-1
#106 - 2013-03-30 10:23:53 UTC
How WiS was given to players was horrible. On top of that they launched NeX store same time. Now it has left bitter taste in many players mouths. Have it been done differently, less pushy way. I think community would be more lenient towards WiS.

Overall I am big fan of seeing other players avatars and communicate with them in stations, perhaps ships but if it is planned to be done. It needs to not interfere with core game mechanics and that is spaceships in space. Developing WiS as "side" project would be better and when you finally get core WiS working then start adding new features.

Lets hope CCP has not burried WiS but let us also hope they wont push it on us.

About "kickstart"; I dont think it will work because of "bitter" taste that is left, so people wont be giving money and even if some would that wouldnt be enough to finish WiS as I think it will take a lot of resources to complete.
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#107 - 2013-03-31 20:50:34 UTC
Honestly, while I still eventually hope to see WiS, it's just that. EVENTUALLY.

I want to see POSes and various other issues get un****ed first, as they are far more important to FiS.

Until then, CQ is off.

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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#108 - 2013-03-31 20:55:41 UTC
If pilots could "dock" at wreck sites and go explore ruined ships and/or stations in space FOR LOOT and RARE stuff -- a whole lot of folks would be singing a very different tune about WIS.

If there's no " ISK / hour " in an activity in this game, the vast majority have no interest in it.

C'est la guerre.

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CENTUREAN
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2013-03-31 22:43:03 UTC
Does a concept video exist from ccp as to what WIS is? I'd like to see from ccp as to what WIS is supposed to be...ideally the full potential example of WIS. Does it exist? Because I have no idea what WIS is aside from random player comments.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2013-04-01 01:54:30 UTC
CENTUREAN wrote:
Does a concept video exist from ccp as to what WIS is? I'd like to see from ccp as to what WIS is supposed to be...ideally the full potential example of WIS. Does it exist? Because I have no idea what WIS is aside from random player comments.


Yes, what was used to tease everyone was this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzZRRPPw_QE

What we got was this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iu4iekX3WE oh and a solitary confinement prison cell.

Don't ban me, bro!
Tarpedo
Incursionista
#111 - 2013-04-01 02:34:10 UTC
It seems CCP doesn't want our money. Meanwhile - purchased Deluxe ($99) + DLC ($30) for Defiance to get a piece of avatar-based sci-fi MMO.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#112 - 2013-04-01 02:35:21 UTC
Lets rename it to what it's really going to be. Yiffing in stations.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#113 - 2013-04-01 03:01:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Tarpedo wrote:
It seems CCP doesn't want our money. Meanwhile - purchased Deluxe ($99) + DLC ($30) for Defiance to get a piece of avatar-based sci-fi MMO.


Let me be the first to thank you for FPSing, emoting, and playing dress-up via micro-transactions elsewhere.

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Stegas Tyrano
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#114 - 2013-04-01 03:02:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Stegas Tyrano
CENTUREAN wrote:
Does a concept video exist from ccp as to what WIS is? I'd like to see from ccp as to what WIS is supposed to be...ideally the full potential example of WIS. Does it exist? Because I have no idea what WIS is aside from random player comments.


There is this

And on a more serious note...this

....and this

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mr ed thehouseofed
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#115 - 2013-04-01 03:04:48 UTC
i still play earth and beyond (its still going just google it ) the wis in the game is what we need . interact with other players in the main hall, go thru one door to the market . go thru other door for npc missions, and its a 10 yr old game. its awesome fun. then head out to your ship for some more pewpew and it has monsters to shoot at. good fun.this is what i would like to see.

i want a eve pinball machine...  confirming  CCP Cognac is best cognac
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#116 - 2013-04-01 06:13:13 UTC
Jack Carrigan wrote:
Honestly, while I still eventually hope to see WiS, it's just that. EVENTUALLY.

I want to see POSes and various other issues get un****ed first, as they are far more important to FiS.

Until then, CQ is off.


That's the point behind proposing a kickstarter project - to provide those additional resources.

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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#117 - 2013-04-01 08:48:07 UTC
Paid expansions means fragmenting the game and that would mean eve will die... again.

But in a way Eve is already fragmented, via Dust one could argue.
Cpt Tirel
Institute For Continuous Glory
#118 - 2013-04-01 11:30:43 UTC
I would pay 100$ or more for a good WiS expansion, gief pls.
Nar Tha
Doomheim
#119 - 2013-04-01 11:43:52 UTC
I want establishments and bars with minigames!
Eisen Kern
Doomheim
#120 - 2013-04-01 11:50:54 UTC
I'd be open to any kickstarter to expand eve outside the standard expansion system. The good thing is backers can be rewarded in game for minimal cost by the devs leaving the vast majority of the funds for dev work and still encourage people to back it by giving rewards. Unique skinned ships, clothes, Utu's (yeah I want one ; p), cerebral accelerators, random faction reward tokens whatever, though care would need to be taken.