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[AISA] Caldari Prime and Freedom's Call

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#41 - 2013-03-18 08:36:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
The Caldari are fairly easy to spot, Inhonores. We are Civire. We are Deteis. We follow the Caldari Way. We have a strong work ethic and practice personal sacrifice in favour of the greater good. We speak Caldanese and Napaani. We drink tea, favour athletic pursuits and wagering and we venerate the Winds and our Ancestors.

I don't know what race, specifically, you believe yourself to be - but you are no kin of mine. You are not Civire. You are not Deteis. No numbers in a genome can make you Caldari. Even if you've stood on the Kaalakiota Peaks your whole life, it hasn't made you Caldari.

Perhaps, one day, the people that we found when we returned Home will be Caldari again, but that day is not this day and possibly not any day in the near future. Until then, let us shepherd them back to the Ways you drove them from, stole from them, beat out of them, crushed out of them until they ran like bood into the soil, joining the rest of the Caldari blood that your people have spilled on that rock and ice.

Perhaps it's time to speak more plainly.

We are tired of fighting you for something that is manifestly ours and not yours.

We do not care to solve the riddle that is your political process - we do not care how you do things, because we do not live by your ways.

Whilst we DO care about offering you whatever assurances you feel you need in order not to be threatened by a single world, so deep inside your territory that it can NEVER make a practical military garrison, we are not interested in BARTERING with you to buy back something you should never have stolen from us.

We do not and should not have to apologise for whatever is necessary to defend our Home, our lives and our culture from your armies. Can you argue that anything other than the Leviathan has prevented you re-enacting your crime of two centuries past?

I believe anyone on Caldari Prime who is NOT interested in embracing the way and rediscovering their true heritage and culture should be encouraged to leave. I understand this will be a hardship for them and I am truly sorry for that, but I believe that between the two richest factions in the Cluster we can probably ease that hardship for them. I would see them waved off fondly, with all their property, in comfort and safety. You might take the time to remark how much more humane that is than the way my people were forced to leave - but more likely you'll stammer and stutter and spout more nonsense words that are as bent and feeble as an old woman.

When you say that the past has formed the narrative of this discussion, what you really mean to say is that we should draw a line just before our battle to retake the planet and claim that anything that happened before that doesn't count. Of course, this denial of the context turns the battle for Home into nothing more than a naked act of Caldari agression against a peace-loving Federation. Whilst I am merely surprised and disapointed that you should use such a transparent fallacy of an argument, what really startles me, really deeply startles me, is that you seem to actually believe it yourself.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#42 - 2013-03-18 20:43:01 UTC
So many pieces of drivel sewn together that I feel nauseous.

Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
The Caldari are fairly easy to spot, Inhonores. We are Civire. We are Deteis. We follow the Caldari Way. We have a strong work ethic and practice personal sacrifice in favour of the greater good. We speak Caldanese and Napaani. We drink tea, favour athletic pursuits and wagering and we venerate the Winds and our Ancestors.


So you Civire and Deteis are all cloned provist stereotypes now ?

Oh, please.

Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Perhaps, one day, the people that we found when we returned Home will be Caldari again, but that day is not this day and possibly not any day in the near future. Until then, let us shepherd them back to the Ways you drove them from, stole from them, beat out of them, crushed out of them until they ran like bood into the soil, joining the rest of the Caldari blood that your people have spilled on that rock and ice.


Ah, some kind of Reclaiming maybe ? Not so frightening when it is yours, rather than driven by the amarrian neighbor, I guess.

Pieter Tuulinen wrote:


Perhaps it's time to speak more plainly.

We are tired of fighting you for something that is manifestly ours and not yours.


Which brat is going to be the first to run whining that the other one stole it from him ? The gallente one or the Caldari one ?


Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Can you argue that anything other than the Leviathan has prevented you re-enacting your crime of two centuries past?


Oh, let's go back to the usual rhetorical fallacies.

If A: the Titan has not been there, then B: the Gallente would have re enacted their crimes.

Not A: the titan is actually there

Therefore not B: the Gallente have not re enacted their crimes.

Which is a non sequitur.

Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
When you say that the past has formed the narrative of this discussion, what you really mean to say is that we should draw a line just before our battle to retake the planet and claim that anything that happened before that doesn't count. Of course, this denial of the context turns the battle for Home into nothing more than a naked act of Caldari agression against a peace-loving Federation. Whilst I am merely surprised and disapointed that you should use such a transparent fallacy of an argument, what really startles me, really deeply startles me, is that you seem to actually believe it yourself.


... To eventually make a finish with strawmen.

I am impressed, really.
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