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BREAKING NEWS: Ground Fighting Erupts on Caldari Prime

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Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#101 - 2013-03-18 15:38:59 UTC
Fair enough.
Then you've finally grown tired of playing at soldiers?

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#102 - 2013-03-18 15:40:41 UTC
I need popcorn.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Liuni Kalthis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#103 - 2013-03-18 15:42:59 UTC
I come here for news and it has erupted into what I can only hope are children....Are you all capusleers or people in mother's basements?
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#104 - 2013-03-18 15:43:30 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
Fair enough.
Then you've finally grown tired of playing at soldiers?

No, you're just flagrantly misrepresenting the facts, and I think you're aware of this.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#105 - 2013-03-18 15:45:24 UTC
I envision the combatants on the surface of Caldari Prime taking solace between rounds of combat and destruction to consider these sage words and exchanges regarding their situation.

Wait this is the thread for that, right?



Sabik now, Sabik forever

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#106 - 2013-03-18 15:48:55 UTC
I returned to this conversation to hope that our to-that-point constructive conversation might be continued. Instead, I am saddened to see this ... outburst. The previous few pages have been an entirely different sort of conversation from the one which preceded it. I've attempted to encapsulate it, below. I was sadly unable to continue to the end of the conversation, however - I apologize. I can only take so much misery at once.

A demonstration of comparative humanity:

Compassion to the Desires of Others:

Ixiris: Honestly it's to the point where I couldn't give a damn about your homeworld. If there can't be peace on any terms, much less the Federation's (and at this rate, there won't be) I don't see why the hell you should be allowed to have it.

Nikulainen: It falls on the Federation for there to be peace between our people. We are simply trying to exist without your Federation imposing their freedom upon us.

Consideration of First-Order Morality:

Ixiris: If that's what it takes to ensure the survival of the Federation. History has shown us that our enemies will have no such qualms - why should we?

Shahzu: Because the very existence of your Federation depends upon it. It champions the ideals of freedom and liberty while seeking the moral high ground in nearly every instance.

Dehumanization of Other Peoples:

Ixiris: Sorry, can't answer your question. Don't talk to subhumans.

Ixiris: ... the subhuman hordes of the Sansha, the junkie genetrash of the Serpentis, the megacorporate sheep of the State or the morally bankrupt rapists of the Empire.

Ixiris: But then again, Sansha aren't people anyway.

Compassion:

Polevhia: Use whatever decency is left in your twisted and shattered minds, Capsuleers. Save the innocents. Do not fight for the mad rulers who would burn worlds to prove a point.

Polevhia: I am sure that this is not the end of civilized (as much as it is) society. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't do everything we can to minimize death and destruction

Ixiris: The Sansha. *Andreus is clearly having severe difficulty holding back laughter* They think they're people! It's adorable.

Thessalonia: You know, we can fix this level of psychosis, Andreus.

Thessalonia: (expression of concern towards...) you, and your cause, and your loved ones, and absolute strangers on planets you have never visited.

Ixiris: No, but seriously, it's only a genocide if there are people getting hurt.

I leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine who in this conversation has demonstrated the better aspects of humanity, and who has not.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#107 - 2013-03-18 15:50:40 UTC
You understand the way Sansha "fix" mental health issues, right, Scherezad?

You're clearly not very bright, but you can't be that stupid.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Kallo Unarmored
Doomheim
#108 - 2013-03-18 15:54:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Kallo Unarmored
Scherezad wrote:
I returned to this conversation to hope that our to-that-point constructive conversation might be continued. Instead, I am saddened to see this ... outburst. The previous few pages have been an entirely different sort of conversation from the one which preceded it. I've attempted to encapsulate it, below. I was sadly unable to continue to the end of the conversation, however - I apologize. I can only take so much misery at once.

A demonstration of comparative humanity:

Compassion to the Desires of Others:

Ixiris: Honestly it's to the point where I couldn't give a damn about your homeworld. If there can't be peace on any terms, much less the Federation's (and at this rate, there won't be) I don't see why the hell you should be allowed to have it.

Nikulainen: It falls on the Federation for there to be peace between our people. We are simply trying to exist without your Federation imposing their freedom upon us.

Consideration of First-Order Morality:

Ixiris: If that's what it takes to ensure the survival of the Federation. History has shown us that our enemies will have no such qualms - why should we?

Shahzu: Because the very existence of your Federation depends upon it. It champions the ideals of freedom and liberty while seeking the moral high ground in nearly every instance.

Dehumanization of Other Peoples:

Ixiris: Sorry, can't answer your question. Don't talk to subhumans.

Ixiris: ... the subhuman hordes of the Sansha, the junkie genetrash of the Serpentis, the megacorporate sheep of the State or the morally bankrupt rapists of the Empire.

Ixiris: But then again, Sansha aren't people anyway.

Compassion:

Polevhia: Use whatever decency is left in your twisted and shattered minds, Capsuleers. Save the innocents. Do not fight for the mad rulers who would burn worlds to prove a point.

Polevhia: I am sure that this is not the end of civilized (as much as it is) society. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't do everything we can to minimize death and destruction

Ixiris: The Sansha. *Andreus is clearly having severe difficulty holding back laughter* They think they're people! It's adorable.

Thessalonia: You know, we can fix this level of psychosis, Andreus.

Thessalonia: (expression of concern towards...) you, and your cause, and your loved ones, and absolute strangers on planets you have never visited.

Ixiris: No, but seriously, it's only a genocide if there are people getting hurt.

I leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine who in this conversation has demonstrated the better aspects of humanity, and who has not.


Whoa now, are you actually saying Sansha loyalists...those that help upliftings, steal crew, and so on and so forth are companionate and this isn't some cheap propaganda plot? I swear, you capsuleers might be powerful but you all aren't the best and brightest by any stretch....a few choice words and manipulated like everyone else.
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#109 - 2013-03-18 15:55:41 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:

No, you're just flagrantly misrepresenting the facts, and I think you're aware of this.


I can't look in the head of a military mastermind, after all. But my assertion of yourself still stands. Let me change it slightly to please you some more. I won't bother assisting you to dig your own grave some more after this, because all it really needs to see through your laughable comparison from earlier is checking the numbers.

So, in a short and revised version:

You are a loudmouth, a craven and a joke.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#110 - 2013-03-18 15:56:05 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
You understand the way Sansha "fix" mental health issues, right, Scherezad?

You're clearly not very bright, but you can't be that stupid.


We fix them with methods that work, Andreus, rather than flailing around with the comparative "Bash the head with a rock" technologies and methods that work.

You assume that I am going to implant you and make you part of my network. This could not be further from what I want. I do not want your mindstate anywhere near mine.

I want to help make a danger to everything around you into less of a danger, by removing the madness element from your decision making capabilities.
Solarienne
Hrimdraugar
#111 - 2013-03-18 15:57:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Solarienne
The three replies, prior to Tiberious', made my day.

For the record, there are plenty of reasonable, compassionate people in Nation. It is also a well known fact I am not one of them. Suffice to say that Scherezad was likely keeping her argument short for the benefit of those having trouble seeing past their own noses.

All in all though, that positive deluge of testosterone seasons your complete impotence quite delightfully, Ixiris. See you in space.

PY-RE Combat Pilot

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2013-03-18 15:57:44 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
You assume that I am going to implant you and make you part of my network.

That is pretty much the only thing Sansha know how to do.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2013-03-18 15:59:07 UTC
Solarienne wrote:
For the record, there are plenty of reasonable, compassionate people in Nation.

Solarienne, you are truly gifted in the area of making statements that, like an Amarrian priest and a child in an elevator, are wrong on so many levels.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#114 - 2013-03-18 15:59:14 UTC
Also, Andreus, for the record.

When people are looking at this conversation and saying "Hey, the Sansha is coming across as much more humane than the guy from the federation" you should consider taking it as a challenge to improve rather than an affront.

Also, Scherezad is not stupid, nor is she a cow.

You can kindly take your childish insults elsewhere, dig?
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#115 - 2013-03-18 15:59:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Scherezad
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
You understand the way Sansha "fix" mental health issues, right, Scherezad?

You're clearly not very bright, but you can't be that stupid.


I'm quite aware of it, sir. That wasn't the point I was making.

Forgive my bluntness, sir. The point I was making was that, despite the things that Nation does, the Nationals in this thread have been speaking with more concern for the well-being of others. Even if their view of compassion is not the same as your own, they have been speaking with that compassion more firmly seated in their minds.

I am aware that I'm not terribly bright, sir. It is a sad fact I live with daily, and I do my best to improve when and where I can. Thank you for pointing it out, however. I will do my best to be more humble.

Kallo Unarmored wrote:
Whoa now, are you actually saying Sansha loyalists...those that help upliftings, steal crew, and so on and so forth are companionate and this isn't some cheap propaganda plot? I swear, you capsuleers might be powerful but you all aren't the best and brightest by any stretch....a few choice words and manipulated like everyone else.


Hello Ma'am, and welcome to space. I make no value judgments of what the conversation participants have said - I have only categorized their statements. I am willing to entertain the thought that my selections were biased, and in fact suspect that it is so. I do think that my point remains, however.
Solarienne
Hrimdraugar
#116 - 2013-03-18 16:01:25 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Solarienne wrote:
For the record, there are plenty of reasonable, compassionate people in Nation.

Solarienne, you are truly gifted in the area of making statements that, like an Amarrian priest and a child in an elevator, are wrong on so many levels.


You've only got words Andy, and not very good ones.

You have zero credibility, stance or standards in the eyes of your nationals and peers.

I'm listening to you out of genuine enjoyment, not to make a point.

Please go on.

PY-RE Combat Pilot

Kallo Unarmored
Doomheim
#117 - 2013-03-18 16:01:59 UTC
Solarienne wrote:
The three replies, prior to Tiberious', made my day.

For the record, there are plenty of reasonable, compassionate people in Nation. It is also a well known fact I am not one of them. Suffice to say that Scherezad was likely keeping her argument short for the benefit of those having trouble seeing past their own noses.

All in all though, that positive deluge of testosterone seasons your complete impotence quite delightfully, Ixiris. See you in space.



Until your master flips a switch, calls forth an Incursion into High-Sec space and BAM compassion gone.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#118 - 2013-03-18 16:05:17 UTC
The Incursions are rooted, at least in part, due to our compassionate impulses, Ms. Unarmored.
Solarienne
Hrimdraugar
#119 - 2013-03-18 16:05:24 UTC
Kallo Unarmored wrote:
Solarienne wrote:
The three replies, prior to Tiberious', made my day.

For the record, there are plenty of reasonable, compassionate people in Nation. It is also a well known fact I am not one of them. Suffice to say that Scherezad was likely keeping her argument short for the benefit of those having trouble seeing past their own noses.

All in all though, that positive deluge of testosterone seasons your complete impotence quite delightfully, Ixiris. See you in space.



Until your master flips a switch, calls forth an Incursion into High-Sec space and BAM compassion gone.


I'm new to the culture, but apparently they're big fans of eye-for-an-eye style logic. Then again I did state that SOME people possess those traits. Consider utility over needless frippery when it comes to 'things to hold dear that are considered uniquely human values'.

PY-RE Combat Pilot

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2013-03-18 16:06:00 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
The point I was making was that, despite the things that Nation does, the Nationals in this thread have been speaking with more concern for the well-being of others.

It's not real concern, you gullible cow.

Let me make it simple for you, since clearly you're not particularly well-atuned to subtlety: Sansha don't have emotions. They don't feel compassion. Their brains do not function like human brains do. What you see is a (remarkably poor, now that I mention it) facade meant to give the impression of speaking to a human, but it's barely even as convincing as Synthetic Cultist or Constructed Adept. When I say that Sansha aren't even remotely human you need to understand that that isn't simply a bon mot I use for the purposes of political propaganda, that's an actual fact of their existence.

Scherezad wrote:
Even if their view of compassion is not the same as your own, they have been speaking with that compassion more firmly seated in their minds.

Literally all the True Slave Foundation actually do in space is blow random people's ships up. Do you honestly think that a few words on a forum makes up for that?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.