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BREAKING NEWS: Ground Fighting Erupts on Caldari Prime

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2013-03-18 13:56:22 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Well, this is an interesting shift.

No, see.

'cause...

The Sansha.

*Andreus is clearly having severe difficulty holding back laughter*

They think they're people!

It's adorable.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
#62 - 2013-03-18 13:58:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Quinzel Nikulainen
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
against my People

See, there's your problem.

There weren't any.


Obviously Mr. Ixiris has resorted to considering all non-Gallente something other than people, as a coping mechanism to alleviate any guilt that would come with the genocidal behavior he so often indicates a liking for.

Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of KŌKAK, a Nugoeihuvi affiliate corporation.

Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#63 - 2013-03-18 13:59:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Gwen Ikiryo
...With respect, you certainly are taking the concept of "Dehumanization" to it's logical - and rather literal - conclusion, mister Ixiris.

Are you well? This is extreme, even for what I've seen of you.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2013-03-18 14:00:09 UTC
Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:
Obviousy Mr. Ixiris has resorted to considering all non-Gallente something other than people, as a coping mechanism to alleviate any guilt that would come with the genocidal behavior he so often indicates a liking for.

No, just Sansha.

But then again, Sansha aren't people anyway.

So dehumanising them is pretty easy.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#65 - 2013-03-18 14:05:20 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Well, this is an interesting shift.

No, see.

'cause...

The Sansha.

*Andreus is clearly having severe difficulty holding back laughter*

They think they're people!

It's adorable.


You know, we can fix this level of psychosis, Andreus.

No, I mean it, I think you have actually gone psychotic. I am sure the damage must be physical, which is actually a good thing because it means that repairs are a simple matter of recreating brain matter and possibly fixing any pre-existing conditions that caused the damage in the first place, if the cause is biological.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2013-03-18 14:08:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Andreus Ixiris
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
You know, we can fix this level of psychosis, Andreus.

Well yeah, I guess technically, you're right. Since psychosis is a fundamentally human condition, joining Sansha would solve both of those issues.

Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
No, I mean it, I think you have actually gone psychotic.

And the Sansha is lecturing me about being psychotic!

Man, you things might not be human, you might barely even count as living organisms, but you sure are a laugh riot. It almost makes me sad that so many of you miserable things got burnt up a century back.

Almost.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#67 - 2013-03-18 14:12:02 UTC
Knoot Enderas wrote:
And there we have it, ladies and gentlemen. Gallente Partisan Mercenaries fighting against Caldari Occupying Mercenaries on Luminaire VIII

How can anyone still doubt that this is not an "uprising" by the locals, but an outright act of war, funded and quite possibly carried out by Federal intelligence forces.

The Gallente outrage when a CalNav fleet pursued a fleet of dangerous fugitives a few AU across the border rings painfully hollow now.


Fixed it.

Seriously Knoot. Pot, Kettle.

it was not that long ago that the threat of that titan was that if any conflict occurred, ALL of the gallente expatriates on the planet would be slaughtered from orbit.

How long do you think the a Caldari population would have sat under the same threat from an Erebus before conflict began.

Now that mercenaries from BOTH sides have turned up to reinforce their combatants, you try to spin it as an invasion?

one word for you.

Couster.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.

Knoot Enderas
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#68 - 2013-03-18 14:15:12 UTC
iyammarrok wrote:
Fixed it.

Seriously Knoot. Pot, Kettle.

it was not that long ago that the threat of that titan was that if any conflict occurred, ALL of the gallente expatriates on the planet would be slaughtered from orbit.

How long do you think the a Caldari population would have sat under the same threat from an Erebus before conflict began.

Now that mercenaries from BOTH sides have turned up to reinforce their combatants, you try to spin it as an invasion?

one word for you.

Couster.


This did not happen, because the State actually evacuated its citizens when it realised that the planet could not be held. Clearly, it was more politically advantageous for the Federation to leave their citizens in harm's way.

This is an invasion of Home, plain and simple.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#69 - 2013-03-18 14:21:32 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
You know, we can fix this level of psychosis, Andreus.

Well yeah, I guess technically, you're right. Since psychosis is a fundamentally human condition, joining Sansha would solve both of those issues.

Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
No, I mean it, I think you have actually gone psychotic.

And the Sansha is lecturing me about being psychotic!

Man, you things might not be human, you might barely even count as living organisms, but you sure are a laugh riot. It almost makes me sad that so many of you miserable things got burnt up a century back.

Almost.


Actually, psychosis is not a part of the human condition (or perhaps more realistically, ought not to be).

To turn the smear you people so often throw at us, if you have a toaster, and it is no longer making toast, but is instead burning your house down, you do not call your burnt down home a result of allowing the toaster to be what it wants to be.

You have a fundamental error in your brain. This is an aberration, a difference of extreme intensity in how you are supposed to function as a human being.

Thankfully, like any other machine, biological or not, you can be fixed. This is the entire point of psychiatric medicine.

I want you, very sincerely, to seek medical help. You are a man who can pilot a ship the size of a small space station, and you are now openly talking about how much genocide seems like a good idea.

If you cannot see how this is a bad thing, then I strongly urge your fellows in Mixed Metaphor to take control of the situation. Your leader has become incapable of leading your corporation soundly, and now presents a danger not only to himself, but to you, and your cause, and your loved ones, and absolute strangers on planets you have never visited.
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#70 - 2013-03-18 14:24:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Gwen Ikiryo
I'd accuse you of seeing things in black and white, right now, mister Ixiris, but I'm not really sure that'd do the situation justice, since you seem to be questioning your opponents right to have a perspective on account of being so fundementally foul. Rather, it's sounding more like you're viewing the cosmos in terms of "white" and "I must have missed a spot, let me get my paintbrush".

No, but really; Are you quite alright?
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2013-03-18 14:29:01 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Actually, psychosis is not a part of the human condition (or perhaps more realistically, ought not to be).

To turn the smear you people so often throw at us, if you have a toaster, and it is no longer making toast, but is instead burning your house down, you do not call your burnt down home a result of allowing the toaster to be what it wants to be.

But I'm not burning my house down, 'm saying we should burn your house down, because it's a derelict and there are no people living in it, but the cockroaches that currently dwell in it keep swarming into my house and making a goddamn mess.

Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
You have a fundamental error in your brain. This is an aberration, a difference of extreme intensity in how you are supposed to function as a human being.

Thankfully, like any other machine, biological or not, you can be fixed. This is the entire point of psychiatric medicine.

I want you, very sincerely, to seek medical help. You are a man who can pilot a ship the size of a small space station, and you are now openly talking about how much genocide seems like a good idea.

The thing that voluntarily replaced his soul with circuitry and his humanity with machinery is lecturing me about mental health! No, this is priceless. This must be a new Sansha stratagem - since they can't kill capsuleers in battle, the Sansha are trying to make us laugh ourselves to death. This is just too good!

No, but seriously, it's only a genocide if there are people getting hurt. This is more like... I dunno, you could call it "pest control."

Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
If you cannot see how this is a bad thing, then I strongly urge your fellows in Mixed Metaphor to take control of the situation. Your leader has become incapable of leading your corporation soundly, and now presents a danger not only to himself, but to you, and your cause, and your loved ones, and absolute strangers on planets you have never visited.

"Your leader has gone insane! I'm a Sansha, but don't worry, you can trust me! Honest! Seriously!"

Yeah good luck with that.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#72 - 2013-03-18 14:31:39 UTC
"I'm not insane, my opponent belongs to a different ideology" is not generally considered a valid logical defense, for the record.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2013-03-18 14:36:52 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
"I'm not insane, my opponent belongs to a different ideology" is not generally considered a valid logical defense, for the record.

One's opponent in a debate is not generally a cult of cybernetic abominations with no morals, humanity or genuine consciousness.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
#74 - 2013-03-18 14:39:51 UTC
Mr. Ixiris is still conveniently deflecting to the Sansha despite the fact that they're just one party he's professed genocidal feelings towards in this thread (Amarr, Caldari, Sansha)?

Good. I was worried that he'd make some sense before I returned to the thread and I'd miss out (not really).

Mr. Ixiris, I'm not a Sansha loyalist. So listen to this; you're unfit to act as a CEO. It's obvious you aren't sane.

'You're Caldari, what would you know about corporation management?' isn't going to cut it, before you go there.

Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of KŌKAK, a Nugoeihuvi affiliate corporation.

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#75 - 2013-03-18 14:41:28 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
"I'm not insane, my opponent belongs to a different ideology" is not generally considered a valid logical defense, for the record.

One's opponent in a debate is not generally a cult of cybernetic abominations with no morals, humanity or genuine consciousness.


Ad hominem attack, mixed with slander and mistruth, another logical fallacy predicated on an error. Fair enough, it is par for the course with capsuleers, I suppose.

I will counter with an equally specious argument. I believe that your arguments are wrong because your name starts with an A and people whos name starts with A have historically made incorrect arguments.

Now, lets get back on track. You said earlier that you advocated genocidal attacks against your ideological opponents because they had shown a history of being willing to do the same. Could you please provide examples of when the Gallente were victims of genocide?
Kares Shahzu
Doomheim
#76 - 2013-03-18 14:43:54 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
The thing that voluntarily replaced his soul with circuitry and his humanity with machinery is lecturing me about mental health!


You're not very good at recognizing irony, are you Mister Ixiris?

Last I checked, the Gallente don't ascribe to the idea of the human soul. Perhaps I am mistaken.

However, you are a capsuleer, are you not? You're every bit a "machine" that Tiberious Thessalonia is.
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
#77 - 2013-03-18 14:43:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Quinzel Nikulainen
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:

I will counter with an equally specious argument. I believe that your arguments are wrong because your name starts with an A and people whos name starts with A have historically made incorrect arguments.


Historically these people have also been Andreus Ixiris.

Kares Shahzu wrote:
Last I checked, the Gallente don't ascribe to the idea of the human soul. Perhaps I am mistaken.


I think in this case you're wrong. The Gallente religious beliefs are almost as diverse as the range of Quafe soft drinks. Every free Gallentean gets their own religious brand tailor suited to their own fears and needs.

Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of KŌKAK, a Nugoeihuvi affiliate corporation.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2013-03-18 14:47:05 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Ad hominem attack, mixed with slander and mistruth, another logical fallacy predicated on an error. Fair enough, it is par for the course with capsuleers, I suppose.

Ad hominem is not, as some believe, universally classified as a logical fallacy. Ad hominem is only a logical fallacy when the aspect of the person (or in your case, "person", although I struggle to find quotation marks large enough to indicate just how loosely that term is being used in this context) referred to in the assertion does not have a bearing on the topic of the debate. The fact (and it is a fact, and not exactly one that's really in question to anyone other than Sansha and their shills) that Sansha are fundamentally devoid of morals, empathy, humanity or even the fundamental spark of human consciousness is entirely relevant to a debate about psychological stability, and more specifically the (in)eligibility of a Sansha to judge it.

As for the rest of your post - whatever.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2013-03-18 14:50:23 UTC
Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:
Mr. Ixiris is still conveniently deflecting to the Sansha despite the fact that they're just one party he's professed genocidal feelings towards in this thread (Amarr, Caldari, Sansha)?

Good. I was worried that he'd make some sense before I returned to the thread and I'd miss out (not really).

Mr. Ixiris, I'm not a Sansha loyalist. So listen to this; you're unfit to act as a CEO.

Even assuming this were true, which it isn't, what are you going to do about it? Do you honestly think that anyone in my corporation is going to listen to you?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#80 - 2013-03-18 14:51:34 UTC
Kares Shahzu wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
The thing that voluntarily replaced his soul with circuitry and his humanity with machinery is lecturing me about mental health!


You're not very good at recognizing irony, are you Mister Ixiris?

Last I checked, the Gallente don't ascribe to the idea of the human soul. Perhaps I am mistaken.

However, you are a capsuleer, are you not? You're every bit a "machine" that Tiberious Thessalonia is.


We could have day long discussions about what level of "machinery" is necessary for a person to no longer be considered a person.

I personally hold that the human body is a machine, just a poorly built one, though certainly a marvel of emergent evolutionary processes. I would also argue that human ingenuity can take what is provided by nature and improve upon it, because we are guided by intelligence rather than natural selection.

We could then discuss whether a man who has replaced his arm is still a man. His heart? His spinal cord? His brain, if the mind becomes housed in a container that functions in the same manner though built of a different material? At what percentage of replacement do you cease to be counted as human?

Anyways, we are getting a bit off track here.