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BREAKING NEWS: Ground Fighting Erupts on Caldari Prime

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Nick Shale
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#21 - 2013-03-16 05:34:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Nick Shale
This situation has broader consequences that should concern us all as pod pilots. If governments start declaring war on clone soldiers there is very little difference between them and us. If actions against them are justified then a similar case could be done against pod pilots as well. Regulation by a neutral agency like CONCORD and an international accord like Yoiul Conference needs to be drawn outlining the rights of this new clone soldier before the fear of this new technology polarizes baseliners against us.
Keitunen Eto
Outer Reach Executive Group
#22 - 2013-03-16 07:41:18 UTC
Nick Shale wrote:
This situation has broader consequences that should concern us all as pod pilots. If governments start declaring war on clone soldiers there is very little difference between them and us. If actions against them are justified then a similar case could be done against pod pilots as well. Regulation by a neutral agency like CONCORD and an international accord like Yoiul Conference needs to be drawn outlining the rights of this new clone soldier before the fear of this new technology polarizes baseliners against us.


As much as I would dislike working with the Gallente this man actually speaks a truth. As one of the many Caldari trying to find a practical solution to what has been happening as of late in terms of business. The verge of civil war in the state and constant oppression being on the doorstep from the Gallente bring me to worry. Maybe Heth has finally moved too far. Though his constant wars do help my business. Maybe I should just sit back and watch. These clone soldiers though are strangely a concern for the clone market as well as the safety of us all in terms of where and what is safe.

You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.

Simon Coal
Comstock Daze
#23 - 2013-03-16 08:09:14 UTC
Leopold Caine wrote:
I'd advise you to re-read what you just wrote to realize how naive and propaganda laced it sounds.
Caldari boogeymen are so evil that even their own people are turning against them? I always thought thepropaganda and faux news over at Scope had some limits on the matter of not being too absurd.
I'm afraid you've just crossed them.


Life's hard. It's even harder when you're stupid.

His point, which should have been obvious to anyone with a working mind, is that not all the Federal citizens on that planet are ethnic Gallente, and that there are probably, among the partisans, ethnic Caldari who are members of the Federation.
Aquila Shadow
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-03-16 08:18:23 UTC
Due to the current conflict on Caldari Prime Midnight Security Consulting has accepted a contract from the Provist Occupation Authority to assist with the protection of military bases and government building thus freeing up Caldari forces to deal with the current unrest on the planet. MSC has also been contracted to deploy surveillance drones (UAV) and combat drones (UCAV) to help provide a swift resolution to the current unrest. We have also accepted a contract from the Caldari Navy to assist with the transport of Caldari Marines to the surface of the planet.

http://i.imgur.com/AaJFTVY.jpg

The first hundred MSC personnel are scheduled to arrive on the planet in the next few hours to establish an FOB for our deployment. The rest will follow once the green light has been given by the local government. We hope for a swift resolution to the unrest on the planet and are committed to restoring order with as little damage as possible.

                                              "Let Vigilance Be Your Sword"

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#25 - 2013-03-16 09:07:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
Unfortunately I don't see how the State can hold on to Caldari Prime in the long term without subjugating the Federation's core systems.

If the Caldari want to maintain control of their homeworld they need to stop pussyfooting around.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#26 - 2013-03-16 11:34:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Evi Polevhia wrote:


People endure. Sometimes governments, not so much.


Well then, I fundamentally disagree. Governments are ethereal entities, however changing, they mainly think in pragmatic terms. When they change, it usually comes from the masses.

Evi Polevhia wrote:
Then again, maybe if full scale war breaks out the Empires will attempt peace with Nation so they are not fighting on half a dozen fronts at once....No, we're dreaming again.


Why would someone attempt peace with an invader that has never shown any interest of doing so ?
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#27 - 2013-03-16 11:53:23 UTC
Nick Shale wrote:
If actions against them are justified then a similar case could be done against pod pilots as well.


Well if they wanted to eliminate capsuleers the first step would be to weaken their military assets. Perhaps deliberately create a proxy warzone where they can destroy the fruits of their own labor in large amounts on a daily basis so as to slowly drain away their military strength fighting each other in preparation for the day that the navies move in to finish the job?

Just a thought.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Terenius Neo
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-03-16 21:29:52 UTC
I would like to express my condolence to those, which took the brave and fearless step to fight at the heart of the enemy... their homeworld,... outnumbered and outguned, against all odds!

And I also hereby testify my greatest respect for those few who fought for the ideal of freedom and independence.

Gallente and Caldari alike!
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-03-16 21:55:48 UTC
Simon Louvaki wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
The Caldari are not only on the verge of civil war, but with an increasing anti-caldari message being created in the Federation, it will become very difficult for them to fight Federal forces effectively if a worse case scenario occurs.


Worst case scenario = Caldari unity. The Caldari don't often fold when faced with a common threat. We consolidate.


That would actually be preferable for the Federation. The chaos that would ensue among the ranks if even a small insurrection would break out would be disastrous for both the Federation and the State. Chains of command are broken up, nobody can tell who is friendly and show is against them, people make panicked decisions.

Of course, this would be desirable if the Federation wanted to invade, which is not the case. The Federation want's to restore peace on Caldari Prime, the State splintering into several factions would be horrible for everyone.

Shiori Shaishi wrote:

I very much doubt it will become necessary for Caldari to take up arms against their fellow Caldari in numbers.



Caldari workers are getting shot for peacefully protesting, there are riots on New Caldari, the mega-corps are at each others throats, and Tibus Heth is using the Federation as a scapegoat...again. And yet you claim the State is unified and will never ever take arms against each other.


Of course, if you just watch the news in the State the only thing you hear is "Everything is fine, go back to work." or "Things are bad, and it's the Gallente's fault." I thought the Federation was full of fools who will believe and obey anything that is said on a holo-projector. Turns out we aren't the only ones with that problem.

Your State is in chaos, the longer it takes for yourself and others to accept that, the worse the crisis is going to get. There are atrocities being committed on a daily basis and the people responsible are directing the blame to others.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#30 - 2013-03-17 01:41:33 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Caldari workers are getting shot for peacefully protesting, there are riots on New Caldari, the mega-corps are at each others throats, and Tibus Heth is using the Federation as a scapegoat...again. And yet you claim the State is unified and will never ever take arms against each other.


Of course, if you just watch the news in the State the only thing you hear is "Everything is fine, go back to work." or "Things are bad, and it's the Gallente's fault." I thought the Federation was full of fools who will believe and obey anything that is said on a holo-projector. Turns out we aren't the only ones with that problem.

Your State is in chaos, the longer it takes for yourself and others to accept that, the worse the crisis is going to get. There are atrocities being committed on a daily basis and the people responsible are directing the blame to others.


Our metal is mined from Kaalakiota's depths,
In black and cold,
in toil and pain.

Our metal is smelted in chaos's fire,
Over coals of sorrow,
under Cold Wind's reign.

Our sword is sharpened against our skin,
by draw of blood,
blessed by the slain.

Our sword is wielded between hand and glove,
Each one is different,
each one the same.

Rukkara, rukkara, Oonekatstas!
You die so that all may live.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-03-17 03:59:27 UTC
Scherezad wrote:


Our metal is mined from Kaalakiota's depths,
In black and cold,
in toil and pain.

Our metal is smelted in chaos's fire,
Over coals of sorrow,
under Cold Wind's reign.

Our sword is sharpened against our skin,
by draw of blood,
blessed by the slain.

Our sword is wielded between hand and glove,
Each one is different,
each one the same.

Rukkara, rukkara, Oonekatstas!
You die so that all may live.


Forgive me, but I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#32 - 2013-03-17 05:10:19 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Forgive me, but I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

I apologise, I am a very poor poet.

Our culture is predicated on conflict; it is a mistake to think that the current disarray will bring about our downfall. Chaos is not a bad thing, it is both destructive and generative. May this current age of chaos bring new wonders and greater happiness for all.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-03-17 05:35:33 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Forgive me, but I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

I apologise, I am a very poor poet.

Our culture is predicated on conflict; it is a mistake to think that the current disarray will bring about our downfall. Chaos is not a bad thing, it is both destructive and generative. May this current age of chaos bring new wonders and greater happiness for all.


Ah I understand, thank you for clarifying. And your poetry was fine, I'm not very good at analyzing poetry and I feared I would say something regrettable due my lack of understanding.

And I do not believe that the current chaos within the State will bring apart your downfall. The Caldari people have and will continue to persevere through both times of prosperity and strife. Hopefully, the chaos will lead to the end of Heth and radicals within the Federation. When level headed people were running our two nations, we were at peace for a century and in earlier times, managed to help each other form the glorious civilizations that span the stars to this day. Yes, it's hard to imagine but our people were actually friends at one point. It was only when crazed Ultra-Nationalist in the Federation and greedy CEOs in the State took over is when things went south. Hopefully, our two nations will one day enjoy some sort of cooperation again. This is where the Chaos you describe can be very good for the State and even the Federation.

However, in the here and now, this chaos can be very destructive, particularly in Luminaire with the Caldari titan battlegroup waiting there. If there is a disruption in the chain of command and suddenly the admiral of that Titan is the highest authority nearby, things could get messy if he is forced to make a rapid and panicked decision.

This is why I do not want Gallente intervention to take place. If every unfortunate event happens at once, as it often does, then Gallente intervention might be the spark that causes the missiles and drones to fly. If we just keep to our side of Luminaire while this combat occurs on Caldari Prime, then the State will regain control of the planet (eventually) and we can go back to the uneasy peace we've had for the past few years. Sure, we might be pointing guns at each other, but at least we aren't firing them.

In the long run, something better will come of this even in a worse case scenario. However, the loss of life and destruction would be horrifying. I would much rather see a peaceful, but slow end to this than an abrupt firestorm.




Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#34 - 2013-03-17 05:49:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Scherezad wrote:


Our metal is mined from Kaalakiota's depths,
In black and cold,
in toil and pain.

Our metal is smelted in chaos's fire,
Over coals of sorrow,
under Cold Wind's reign.

Our sword is sharpened against our skin,
by draw of blood,
blessed by the slain.

Our sword is wielded between hand and glove,
Each one is different,
each one the same.

Rukkara, rukkara, Oonekatstas!
You die so that all may live.


Forgive me, but I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.


My kirjuun and I, against my suuolo
My suuolo and I, against the Citizen
The Citizen and I, against the Jaiji.

On the day you lift your hand, you will fall.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Shiori Shaishi
Doomheim
#35 - 2013-03-17 09:28:10 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Caldari workers are getting shot for peacefully protesting, there are riots on New Caldari, the mega-corps are at each others throats, and Tibus Heth is using the Federation as a scapegoat...again. And yet you claim the State is unified and will never ever take arms against each other.

I have claimed that I do not believe the current incidents will lead to Caldari taking up arms against Caldari in numbers. I am indebted to pilots Tuulinen and Scherezad for providing an excellent impression of our approach to internal conflict, above. You would do well to read it, several times, until the words are imprinted on your mind.

It would do you some good to read the news further than the headlines, as well.
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-03-17 12:20:08 UTC
Freedom fighters, soldiers, citizens and brave souls. Your sacrifices will not be in vain.

Let this be the moment that will go down in history that fellow individuals rose up against oppression and beared arms against a common enemy.

You aren't fighting for just your personal freedoms, your individuality, your heritage in this universe, for your rights and for liberation. You are fighting for your homes and families, for your spouses, children and for everything you hold dear in your lives.

You are fighting against an evil totalitarian regime that holds no respect or regard to who you are and are fueled by propaganda and greed. That planet you call home, has been taken from you because of foolish pride. To this very moment they hold your lives hostage as the scum and tyrants that they are but don't fret.

Any harm inflicted upon you will be returned tenfold. They can wound you, bleed you and even kill you however they'll never be able to destroy your right to freedom and precious ideals.

Fight on free men and women, sons and daughters of the Federation.

Sange por sange!

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 

Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
#37 - 2013-03-17 17:07:53 UTC
Mekhana wrote:
Freedom fighters, soldiers, citizens and brave souls. Your sacrifices will not be in vain.

Let this be the moment that will go down in history that fellow individuals rose up against oppression and beared arms against a common enemy.

You aren't fighting for just your personal freedoms, your individuality, your heritage in this universe, for your rights and for liberation. You are fighting for your homes and families, for your spouses, children and for everything you hold dear in your lives.

You are fighting against an evil totalitarian regime that holds no respect or regard to who you are and are fueled by propaganda and greed. That planet you call home, has been taken from you because of foolish pride. To this very moment they hold your lives hostage as the scum and tyrants that they are but don't fret.

Any harm inflicted upon you will be returned tenfold. They can wound you, bleed you and even kill you however they'll never be able to destroy your right to freedom and precious ideals.

Fight on free men and women, sons and daughters of the Federation.

Sange por sange!


You're just as delusional and as the forklift driver running this State.

Cold Wind's Blade || Follow the I-RED Newsfeed & visit the I-RED GalNet site!

Terenius Neo
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-03-17 19:54:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Terenius Neo
Mekhana seams to have her heart at the right spot and I do support her calling to the Gallente on Caldari Prime.
I do not see anything delusional in submitting a clear message and hold up your ideals.

Especially not if it serves the purpose to keep up the hope of those on the planet.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-03-17 22:09:39 UTC
Shiori Shaishi wrote:

I have claimed that I do not believe the current incidents will lead to Caldari taking up arms against Caldari in numbers. I am indebted to pilots Tuulinen and Scherezad for providing an excellent impression of our approach to internal conflict, above. You would do well to read it, several times, until the words are imprinted on your mind.

It would do you some good to read the news further than the headlines, as well.


Are the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of workers protesting and rioting against the State along with the forces sent out to crush this unrest not in numbers? Also, I understand your methods of dealing with internal conflict. However, what you don't seem to understand is that this conflict shouldn't even be happening in the first place. I'm all for the State changing it's ways for what they percieve to be better, I really do, but from the scope of the fighting on Caldari Prime, now would be a bad time for that change to occur.

Also, I read the news plenty, especially given my current (temporary) job in The Scope. In fact, I often read the story before they can figure out what the headline will be call.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Tobias Annages
Doomheim
#40 - 2013-03-18 10:57:35 UTC
LIVE FROM CALDARI PRIME - GALLENTE SEGREGATION DISTRICT, RESISTANCE FORWARD OPERATING BASE

*Gunfire can be heard off in the distance*

After several days of intense fighting and mounting casualties on both sides many among the Gallente resistance feel that the tipping point of this uprising will be reached in the next 24hrs. Caldari forces have started to come down hard on any suspected resistance strongholds thanks to an influx of mercenaries that have been hired to bolster the thinly stretched Caldari forces.

Gallente resistance forces have also started to calling the hired help to keep the pressure on the Provist government in the hope that either they can either capture enough key areas of the city to push back the Caldari forces or that re-enforcement's can arrive from the Federation. Were the money is coming from to pay these mercenaries is anyone's guess with rumors ranging from FIO involvement to hidden funds dating back to before the invasion. One thing is certain though, the next few days may decide who rules Caldari Prime.