EVE General Discussion

To follow this idea them, what would stop them from using some kind of message pattern ?

If you think about TCP/IP packets, a header describes the message, but it's done in situ and, crucially, its done at the same speed as the packet.

In a quantum entangled system, perhaps you'd send a message specific to your pair that could be recognised in its own state or inverted; You'd then follow with a checksum that proves the polarity of the opposite pair, so if you get 01010101 you know that the other one is in a clockwise state, and 10101010 is anti-clockwise.

Holy ... did we just invent TCP/QP ? (Quantum protocol)

This would work if at the transmitting end you could choose the state of your entangled particle to be 1 or 0, but the problem is you can't do that. When an entangled state is created the spin of the particle is random, which means the other member of the entangled pair also has random spin -- so no fancy checksumming or parity system will work. The only decision you get to make is when to measure the state (and whether or not you measured it is not something the other person can determine without first sending their results for comparison).

Here's a math analogy: Think of two people sitting in different galaxies, both with random number generators with the same seed. One of the two generators has a random pattern ("the message") XORed with its output. Both people can both generate random numbers whenever they want, but can't examine the state of the generator or otherwise communicate. Is it possible for one of the two people to determine the message? Clearly it's not possible unless you can compare the output of the two generators -- which means sending the output of one of them slower than light, and this defeats the whole purpose of your messaging system.

I see what you're getting at; I guess it would depend what happens to your pair after you first entangle them and then induce a change in one's state too. After all, there is a point where they can communicate at sublight speed, and that's when they're made and tangled.

This, of course, relies on us inventing a system that allows us to induce and read a change, without breaking the existing entangled state; which I'm led to believe is also very hard at the moment.

Hmm food for thought, it's a fascinating topic!

More on this tomorrow I think, it's very very late here :)

I stopped right there and for good reason. Eve uses no laws of physics grounded in reality, outdated or not.

He is a goon we know they aren't very intelligent.

wait you're agreeing with a troll reply and you think newton came up with relativity

'lol'

preachers and overzealous religous preschool teachers do not count as qualified scientists.

Only if You presume that communication happens via radio waves, which indeed move at the speed of light.

but as far as I understand it capsuleers use something akin to quantum entanglement for communication.

It's still lame. I want to equip cruise missiles with warp drives and shoot them across the system.

Those imaginary ships we're supposed to commandeer are nothing less than technological marvels and we can't even get accurate firing solutions at not even more than a mere quarter of a kilometre.

EDIT: That ofc was nonsense it's supposed to say Megametre, a.k.a. 1000km.

With what shuch ships should be able to do 250km actually should be considered ultra close quarters brawling range.

The range of capital ship class weapon systems should be measured in AU, not some pansy little kilometres.

and that's almost the only thing that's bugging me in EVE.

The other thing would be that, anything bigger than a Battlecruiser is shooting stuff at other stuff that would be considered at least a city buster in our days, and still they're really really tiny... torpedoes for example have a size of 0.1m^3 it's small enough to fit into my hand, make 'em as big as real torpedoes and the can destroy stars or have a flight time long enough to be shot into adjacent solar systems?

And yet the launch bays for them are as big as my house. o_O

What did they build into those launchers? A shopping mall? can't be an ammo depot since all the ammo is in my cargo hold and the 20 rounds that fit into my torp launcher could also be stored on the desk of my first mate Joe Anybody who's name I don't even know because he's not a capsuleer and will be forgotten once I vent the atmosphere to dry clean my ships interior.

to quote futurama


Cubert J. Farnsworth: I understand how the engines work now. It came to me in a dream. The engines don't move the ship at all. The ship stays where it is, and the engines move the universe around it.
Bender: That's a complete load!
Cubert J. Farnsworth: Nothing's a complete load! Not if you can imagine it. That's what being a scientist is all about


nuff said