Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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Except that despite your blob, the ISN fleet made 155 mill each...

I do wonder how you are able to get 100 people to join your fleet, but I know you're fond of spreading lies.

For a while you insisted (I suspect you still do) that DIN would beat ISN if it weren't for ISN running heavy on grid... basically saying that ISN blobs you...
Then you also proudly point to your ability to blob with more numbers than ISN, contradicting your earlier premise.

Well, the mechanics, which I assume were made to prevent blobbing, strongly point to the direction of a wait list/cap on fleet sizes.

As soon as you go 1 on grid over the soft cap, the total payout (individual payout * # of individuals) goes down.
Contests aside, nobody would blob like DIN does, because the mechanics promote keeping the fleet below a certain size, which promotes wait lists if you have enough for 1 fleet, but not enough for 2.

I simply propose making the total payout a fixed amount.


The 2nd proposal is to discourage blobbing to win contests, but then it also removes the purpose of contests completely.

How about a compromise.... 50% of the total goes to the winning fleet, the remaining 50% is split according to damage dealt.

Thus, a very close contest is approximately a 75/25 split.

delete this silly list option in forms blah

I don't follow. a 500-man alliance in empire has the same "safety in numbers" that a 500-man alliance in null has (well, actually a bit better because the other guy is guaranteed to not be bringing caps or supers).

Both of you get dec'd by a 10-man corp, both of you outnumber that corp by 50 to 1. Even if you're absolutely _terrible_ at PvP, those odds are extremely in your favor.

(but they just hide in station then, and play on an alt, and we don't have any!!!)
1. bullshit that you don't have alts (maybe not as skilled as you'd like, but you have alts)
2. if you think they're just AFKing, then have 2 or 3 guys watch the station ... rotate amongst at least 4-6 pilots (run mission or two, then trade off with someone on the station). The same applies for incursion sites... though you're probably rotating more pilots at a time.
3. If you want to mine, go a system or two off, have people watching the incoming gate(s) for WTs

this is what the nullsec guys have to do EVERY DAY. I'm sure you can do it for a week and not have significant adverse affects (beyond a few losses because of making bad decisions ... but making bad decisions is how we learn).

You cannot see the difference between an equal numbers group contesting sites in a fair manner to increase their isk gain, and following another group around with such an excessively large blob that nobody gets paid, exclusively in order to prevent them from making isk? I'll give you a hint, one of them is for extra profit, by virtue of just being better, the other is outright griefing.


Of course, there's no point in arguing with you, your vendetta against ISN has gone so far that to back down would be to somehow lose face.

First off mechanics is fine and the issue is not contest but people in contested fleets not firing thier guns. I have found many not firing.

Now to focus on this anrgy german and TVP. This man is hiding before TVP when actually he runs 16 accounts in sites. I am not rich enough to have sixteen incursion toons let alone the real life money to run a computer network to run sixteen clients. What kind of isk does 16 clients make you and how can he relate to me who must be an uber noob and can only run one client in an incursion. I sometimes try to ice mine but often my ice miner is full and well has been siting there for a long time doing nothing. 16 man that is alot of isk and man he must be very rich to use so much real life money to try and control eve.

Ok here is my real concern. I have been flying incursions since incursion patch, when they were also at times live events. I flew a blackbird with logistics, I know it was a bad fit but we were trying tactics, it and the fleet died in flames within secs i think. Next secondly sucessfully run a drake and then I got shiny and ran with Skeet. TVP and TDF/Born-Ara were left to the HQ's AS's and it was unofficially agreed that HQ's be new player zone and most made their isk got shiny and move on to vg's.

So here is my issue with TVP and it comes after the nerf last summer. I was not able to fly in BTL or TVP although i did if i wanted on alts, because members of my alliance ganked Nomitech's tengu and got his pod as well. This happened because he and others scammed members of the incursion community out of a Revenant bpc saying he sold it to Goons for 4 bil and goodwill. Well this did not create goodwill and if Goons have goodwill then talk to a dipo so they can troll you. Someone offered a great contract and people in my alliance took it. So this led me to discover the armor community and knowing nothing about armor but having all cruisers at 5 and all reps at 5 and logi 5 somehow I was welcome as a reliable logi pilot, and found my way into Born-ara invite only channel very quickly. At this time founders of TVP and All the TDF leadership were all running in Born-Ara comms. TVP leadership were giving back to the incursion community and training armor FC's in how to run. At this time there was an agreement to run all MOM's as a big group. But several times TVP just popped the MOM even when the armor fleet they were to merge with had no idea and were halfway through a site when the MOM died. These directors of TVP who now are running it did not consider anyone other than themselves, even their founders halfway through a site.

So back to ISN after the nerf VG's Shield communities lost tons of fleets and most died right after the nerf, ISN also was mostly dead sometimes Noble after getting off work would run a vg fleet for a few hours and well my logi alt was there sometimes. So ISN being one of the few places even running sites (took several hours to even get an vg fleet together), they became the gathering place for shiny pilots and well AS's and HQ's at this time were safer and better isk than VG's. Noble having run AS's in hunters something channel back before ISN knew a little bit but knew alot of people were interested in doing them. After this starts the war, between TVP and ISN, and now one angry german with more isk and money than he needs.
TVP keep believing all MOM's were thier personal property and well every time ISN made a MOM fleet TVP banned all fleet members so these people had no place to go. Fueling ISN recuitment out of nescesity, their pilots had no place else to fly.

What these self serving Directors of TVP lack to see is ISN can't contest them as easily anymore. They have transformed thier community of new pilots into an effective fleet but they allow one overly rich angry german man to control the dialogue. I mean I suck at ice mining while i am in an incursion fleet but the leader of Din can multibox 16 toons. I wish I could just fly two boxes effectively in incursions; at least I would be eve rich :).

I use to send new pilots to TVP to learn and earn isk in incusions now I send them to LV6 and Born-Ara depending on their tank. Please lets, let Din and one super rich 16 box leader lose the control he is seeking.

ISN broke every agreement we tried to have with them. Your word in repect to agreements is lower then mud TBH

You never had any standing agreement with ISN .You TRIED to have it . Since we never had any agreement with anyone we could not brake anything .