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The difference between a carebear and an EVE industrialist

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#121 - 2013-03-15 00:04:58 UTC
This thread is bad. All of you posting in it should feel bad.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#122 - 2013-03-15 00:07:18 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
"Ruining people's day is fun."

Some people have serious mental health issues.


You've obviously never worked in a call centre, ruining someone's day is the job description.

Mental health isn't the issue here, somebody who like explosions is playing with different rules and goals than you are, they're still within the parameters of the game, wanting immunity from other players interfering with you is not.


I would argue that he's never worked. Ruining peoples day is a part of the vast majority of occupations.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#123 - 2013-03-15 00:07:42 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
This thread is bad. All of you posting in it should feel bad.


Do you feel bad?

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#124 - 2013-03-15 00:10:15 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
This thread is bad. All of you posting in it should feel bad.


Do you feel bad?


Yes. A little part of me died posting in this thread.

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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#125 - 2013-03-15 02:34:15 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:

"- Ruining people's day is fun."

Some people have serious mental health issues.


This seems to be a very common..misonception of pirates in general sadly. But i can understand it!
You would think that when someone gets their enjoyment from blowing up haulers and miners, war deccing industrial corps or young corps that cant defend them selfes..well that person must have some sick desires they cant exspress in real life right?

Well, this is far from the truth! Over my years in EVE i have always taken a stance as an anti pirate, never tolerated scamming, theft, spionage or similar (yea i know, silly isent it?) because i tought that someone who was a decent human beeing could never sink to that level.
I have been prooven wrong so many times! I can say without a shred of doubt that among the kindest people i have met in this game pirates and general "naughty" people covers a good part of that list. Many people are not willing to..differentiate a person ingame persona and their real life persona. Because of this its easy to take for granted that someone who is "cruel" in EVE has to be cruel in real life.

The simple truth is this.. Someone does not take EVE as seriusly as others, and dont understand why someone should be so upset that they send hate mail and similar just because they lost a ship. Honestly, sometimes i think "pirates" do it BECAUSE of the hate mail they recive (which i will admit can be very amusing) and it has nothing to do with padding their KB, or hoping that the person will be so angry and upset that it damages them in real life in any way or form.

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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#126 - 2013-03-15 02:50:19 UTC
urban dictionary wrote:
1. Care Bear 260 up, 42 down
1. Lightly derogatory term for an MMO player who avoids PVP combat, heavily preferring cooperative or solo PVE combat, chatting, or developing tradeskills/running quests. Depending on the game and the individual, this PVP avoidance can show up in several ways: by playing on strict non-PVP servers; by avoiding PVP areas or declining duels; or, by avoiding or condemning PVP players. Philosophically, they often cite unbalanced combat systems, overpowered guilds, ebayed characters, and ganking as reasons to prefer less aggressive play. The mindset can be self-sustaining in several ways: high-level "care bears" may have avatars that are tailored for PVE, not PVP; they may not network with skilled PVP players; or, they may morally refuse to learn aggressive PVP tactics. As an insult, the term applies less to players who merely prefer PVE to PVP and more to individuals who question the basic legitimacy of PVP or who greatly overreact to their avatars' deaths. Bear in mind that it is strictly incorrect to refer to the victims of heavy exploiters as Care Bears.


You keep using that word, "carebear", I do not think it means what you think it means.

By the way, since we're already talking, do you want to buy a rifter? I've got the cheapest rifters in Metropolis. If you can find a cheaper rifter, buy it!
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#127 - 2013-03-16 11:54:19 UTC
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:

"- Ruining people's day is fun."

Some people have serious mental health issues.


This seems to be a very common..misonception of pirates in general sadly. But i can understand it!
You would think that when someone gets their enjoyment from blowing up haulers and miners, war deccing industrial corps or young corps that cant defend them selfes..well that person must have some sick desires they cant exspress in real life right?

Well, this is far from the truth! Over my years in EVE i have always taken a stance as an anti pirate, never tolerated scamming, theft, spionage or similar (yea i know, silly isent it?) because i tought that someone who was a decent human beeing could never sink to that level.
I have been prooven wrong so many times! I can say without a shred of doubt that among the kindest people i have met in this game pirates and general "naughty" people covers a good part of that list. Many people are not willing to..differentiate a person ingame persona and their real life persona. Because of this its easy to take for granted that someone who is "cruel" in EVE has to be cruel in real life.

The simple truth is this.. Someone does not take EVE as seriusly as others, and dont understand why someone should be so upset that they send hate mail and similar just because they lost a ship. Honestly, sometimes i think "pirates" do it BECAUSE of the hate mail they recive (which i will admit can be very amusing) and it has nothing to do with padding their KB, or hoping that the person will be so angry and upset that it damages them in real life in any way or form.



When I build a spaceship in game, I'm building a cluster of pixels, a pile of ISK.

When I blow up a spaceship, then I'm creating something lasting - a story, an experience.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#128 - 2013-03-17 18:34:39 UTC
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:

"- Ruining people's day is fun."

Some people have serious mental health issues.


This seems to be a very common..misonception of pirates in general sadly. But i can understand it!
You would think that when someone gets their enjoyment from blowing up haulers and miners, war deccing industrial corps or young corps that cant defend them selfes..well that person must have some sick desires they cant exspress in real life right?

Well, this is far from the truth! Over my years in EVE i have always taken a stance as an anti pirate, never tolerated scamming, theft, spionage or similar (yea i know, silly isent it?) because i tought that someone who was a decent human beeing could never sink to that level.
I have been prooven wrong so many times! I can say without a shred of doubt that among the kindest people i have met in this game pirates and general "naughty" people covers a good part of that list. Many people are not willing to..differentiate a person ingame persona and their real life persona. Because of this its easy to take for granted that someone who is "cruel" in EVE has to be cruel in real life.

The simple truth is this.. Someone does not take EVE as seriusly as others, and dont understand why someone should be so upset that they send hate mail and similar just because they lost a ship. Honestly, sometimes i think "pirates" do it BECAUSE of the hate mail they recive (which i will admit can be very amusing) and it has nothing to do with padding their KB, or hoping that the person will be so angry and upset that it damages them in real life in any way or form.



This.

Scamming, Blowing up Ships, all the bad stuff that's within the rules of the game has all the bearing on the moral/mental health status of the person doing it as taking a pawn in Chess does.

I've known right pricks who are carebears, I've known right pricks who are pirates/griefers.
I've known great people who are carebears, I've known great people who are pirates/griefers.

What you do in a game has no relation with whether or not you are a good person.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#129 - 2013-03-17 19:16:17 UTC
uh a carebear is just someone who almost always avoids PvP for whatever reason. it says nothing about their attitude to loss.

i'm feeling reasonably good about posting this snappy definition.

forums.  serious business.
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#130 - 2013-03-17 19:39:06 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
This thread is bad. All of you posting in it should feel bad.


James 315 and his cronies: carebears

The difference has been located.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.
Ryu Ibarazaki
Doomheim
#131 - 2013-03-17 21:08:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Ryu Ibarazaki
RubyPorto wrote:


Scamming, Blowing up Ships, all the bad stuff that's within the rules of the game has all the bearing on the moral/mental health status of the person doing it as taking a pawn in Chess does.

I've known right pricks who are carebears, I've known right pricks who are pirates/griefers.
I've known great people who are carebears, I've known great people who are pirates/griefers.

What you do in a game has no relation with whether or not you are a good person.


For instance, my corp and RubyPorto's corp shoot at each other all the time. If you looked at the killboard you'd think we hated each other, by myself and alot of my m8s like having the Waffles around.

There are definately plenty of people in EVE that are good dudes that just happen to love seeing explosions.

Course. This seems to having nothing to do with 'Carebears and Industrialists'. Hmmm. What happened to this thread?
Cel Nobol
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#132 - 2013-03-17 21:34:54 UTC
Jensaro Koraka wrote:
The difference according to my definition is as follows.

Carebears:
  • Seek a solution from CCP instead of solving it themselves, as is the way of the sandbox.
  • Don't want to work together and try to pretend MMOs are single player games.
  • Hate risk, but still expect a reward.
  • Never want the actions of other people to have any effect on them. Again, playing it like it's single player.
  • Pretend to be bots and play AFK 90% of the time. Die to easily preventable situations and then cry about it.

    • Industrialists:
  • Seek player-based solutions to problems.
  • Have well organized corps.
  • Take risks and can handle when those risks don't work out. Earn their rewards.
  • Enjoy the excitement and unpredictability of other people being able to interact with them, even though it's sometimes not in a nice way.
  • Actually play the game and pay attention. Saw the ganker coming and lived. Didn't have anything to complain about.

    • As for me...




    So...

    Carebears are liberals?P
    Balthisus Filtch
    RISE Inc.
    #133 - 2013-03-18 01:01:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Balthisus Filtch
    I am not even going to bother reading articles with the word carebear in them any more.

    It screams like flashing red lights of the over simplified and badly thought out opinions to come. This one didn't disappoint and was fully a waste of my time.

    My only though is why are there are about x10 more posts whinging about people whinging about being ganked than there ever are people who actually post to whinge about being ganked.

    And even when you do see a real post whinging about being ganked - its usually some noob who has been playing for a time period measured in weeks and just didn't realise his sandcastle could get kicked in so easily. Anyone who finds out hi-sec isn't actually that safe in this way is gonna be a bit gutted - irony if they are a forum reader they have read countless articles telling them how hi-sec is risk free and needs nerfing.

    Actually its not my only thought - I have a pet hate when people call "MINERS", "INDUSTRIALISTS". Miners mine stuff, industrialists build stuff. Industrialists are generally far to busy counting all the money they are making to bother doing something akin to hard work like mining :) Industrialists leak tears when their haulers get blown up.
    Sabriz Adoudel
    Move along there is nothing here
    #134 - 2013-03-24 11:45:27 UTC
    Skeln Thargensen wrote:
    uh a carebear is just someone who almost always avoids PvP for whatever reason. it says nothing about their attitude to loss.

    i'm feeling reasonably good about posting this snappy definition.



    Carebears usually are terrified by PVE losses too.

    After all, losing a 3 billion risk Marauder to rats means a lot more missions to replace it

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