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Rail Tengu

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Julian Darklight
Dog Soldier Collective
#21 - 2013-03-14 02:55:51 UTC
Lord Fudo wrote:
What are you wanting to use the tengu for? PvP or PvE?


I am wishing to use it for gang PVP atm. Would also be useful for PVE but I dont do much PVE. I usually mine for my isk or sell plex. The main reason I really dont like missiles is because of the time required for impact. I like instant results and am more confident in my gunnery, However, it seems that missiles are best for PVP and I will have to do some extra training. ha
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#22 - 2013-03-14 04:26:21 UTC
Julian Darklight wrote:
Lord Fudo wrote:
What are you wanting to use the tengu for? PvP or PvE?


I am wishing to use it for gang PVP atm. Would also be useful for PVE but I dont do much PVE. I usually mine for my isk or sell plex. The main reason I really dont like missiles is because of the time required for impact. I like instant results and am more confident in my gunnery, However, it seems that missiles are best for PVP and I will have to do some extra training. ha


Missiles are better situationally; they are easier to use, overall, than turrets, since they don't worry about tracking.

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Roseline Penshar
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-03-14 11:52:29 UTC
the main point is, use what you want to use. others advice and idea is very good to hear, but in the end it's you that use it.

as for me with a tengu maybe a rail tengu is maybe an option if i will fly one someday, cause i don't really like missiles except if it's for pve (ratting, mission, etc)
Tigris Liono
Konrakas Forged
Solyaris Chtonium
#24 - 2013-03-14 13:09:54 UTC
I once fitted a Rail Tengu for PvE, mostly because I was bored, and wanted to try something different. I think it is a viable fit, it's just not as efficent as an HML Tengu... I don't have the fit anymore though, or I'd post here.

But if your primary use is PvP, I'd probably suggest blasters instead of Rails.
Kodama Ikari
Thragon
#25 - 2013-03-14 17:15:06 UTC
Julian Darklight wrote:
Lord Fudo wrote:
What are you wanting to use the tengu for? PvP or PvE?


I am wishing to use it for gang PVP atm. Would also be useful for PVE but I dont do much PVE. I usually mine for my isk or sell plex. The main reason I really dont like missiles is because of the time required for impact. I like instant results and am more confident in my gunnery, However, it seems that missiles are best for PVP and I will have to do some extra training. ha


Forget everything everyone posted in this thread. Most of us were assuming this was pve. If you want to do gang pvp in a t3 and you have high gunnery skills, get a loki. If you want to use medium railguns in pvp, then don't fly a strategic cruiser (or maybe make a thread asking about a rail proteus).
Julian Darklight
Dog Soldier Collective
#26 - 2013-03-14 20:23:19 UTC
The main issue here is that I have implants that increase my damage with medium rails considerably at about 9%, combine that with the 5% extra damage per level with the hybrid subsystem and three t2 mag field stabs on top of all my support skills that are at lvl5 I believe I can squeeze out good damage at long ranges. I will see what EFT says and get back to yall. Probably gonna go with the missiles but I have enough cash to test a rail fit as well... let yall know how it works out.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-03-14 23:27:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
With what has been said. The only reason I would use a rail tengu is for some sort of element of surprise factor (people wouldn't expect rails, though they will adapt quickly) or you just have a lot of ISK and want to try something new.

The problem with rails is that they don't really fit a niche at the medium level. Similar medium sized, long range weapons can, for the most part, do the same job and be better at it. You can use them of course, and with good flying you could even outgun other weapon systems, though you have to be pretty experienced with rails and the ships you use them on in order to get the most out of it.

If you have the money to spare, and won't get embarrassed by a killmail, then you might still want to go for it. Who knows, you might figure out just the right fit and right way to fly and do really well in a rail Tengu.

However, if you want something that will be effective and work in nearly every scenario without any struggling, then an HM or HAM tengu is your best bet.

If you really want to use rails, there are plenty of boats that are amazing with them. You can either go down the Caldari lineup and be a very good sniper, or go down the Gallente line up and be more of a mid ranged force amplifier.

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Ginger Barbarella
#28 - 2013-03-14 23:37:59 UTC
Tigris Liono wrote:
I once fitted a Rail Tengu for PvE, mostly because I was bored, and wanted to try something different. I think it is a viable fit, it's just not as efficent as an HML Tengu... I don't have the fit anymore though, or I'd post here.

But if your primary use is PvP, I'd probably suggest blasters instead of Rails.


Blaster Tengu?!?!?! Didn't see that one coming... P

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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#29 - 2013-03-15 04:01:24 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Tigris Liono wrote:
I once fitted a Rail Tengu for PvE, mostly because I was bored, and wanted to try something different. I think it is a viable fit, it's just not as efficent as an HML Tengu... I don't have the fit anymore though, or I'd post here.

But if your primary use is PvP, I'd probably suggest blasters instead of Rails.


Blaster Tengu?!?!?! Didn't see that one coming... P


Why would you use a Blaster Tengu? You can get more DPS out of a HAM Tengu. What is the gain from going for blasters?

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Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#30 - 2013-03-15 09:06:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Primary This Rifter
Roime wrote:
So HMLs are still insanely OP compared to other medium LR weapon systems? Well damn, that was surprising after all the bear whine.


They're not as OP any longer, although as I predicted nobody is using medium beams or rails same as before. Those need to be buffed. HMs are still extremely powerful but at least they're not as broken as they were before.

The real difference here is just that the Tengu is far better suited to using heavy missiles (5% damage to kinetic per level, 7.5% bonus to ROF per level, 10% bonus to missile velocity per level) than railguns (mere 5% damage bonus and 20% optimal range per level).
Cute E
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2013-03-15 12:14:20 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
Why would you use a Blaster Tengu? You can get more DPS out of a HAM Tengu. What is the gain from going for blasters?


I quickly thrown some stuff in EFT:

[Tengu, blaster]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Internal Force Field Array I

Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 150
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 150

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin
Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers
Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier

704DPS before overheat, 631DPS with faction ammo.

P. good tank (611/1171DPS), 1.8km/s heated.

This is before links, crystals and boosters.

Looks pretty decent to me.
Roseline Penshar
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-03-15 12:32:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Roseline Penshar
rail tengu would be sniping tengu right? the 20% bonus optimal range is good
Julian Darklight
Dog Soldier Collective
#33 - 2013-03-15 13:39:12 UTC
Roseline Penshar wrote:
rail tengu would be sniping tengu right? the 20% bonus optimal range is good


That is pretty much what I was going for. At 20% more range per lvl and 5% more damage per lvl combined with my skills and implants, Anti-matter could hit out to 40 or more km and other ammo would give me a range of around 90. They would also hit instantly, unlike missiles. However, missiles would put out more DPS and be more consistent with that DPS.

I can not find a good EFT link to download EFT so, When I return home, and the training is done, I will fit a rail tengu and a Missile Tengu or just swap the modules and fittings around and see what I can get. I will repost about the results then.
Jakob Anedalle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-03-15 16:35:08 UTC
Julian Darklight wrote:
Roseline Penshar wrote:
rail tengu would be sniping tengu right? the 20% bonus optimal range is good

I can not find a good EFT link to download EFT


Here is the thread here in the forums

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Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#35 - 2013-03-15 18:49:16 UTC
Cute E wrote:
FT Diomedes wrote:
Why would you use a Blaster Tengu? You can get more DPS out of a HAM Tengu. What is the gain from going for blasters?


I quickly thrown some stuff in EFT:

[Tengu, blaster]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Internal Force Field Array I

Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 150
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 150

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin
Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers
Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier

704DPS before overheat, 631DPS with faction ammo.

P. good tank (611/1171DPS), 1.8km/s heated.

This is before links, crystals and boosters.

Looks pretty decent to me.

Now try it with HAMs.
DiKKy Heartiez
The Northerners
Pandemic Horde
#36 - 2013-03-15 19:24:34 UTC
So i guess this is offtopic but: does anyone of you know why i cant hit stuff over aprox 25k with my HAM tengu? It says it has a range of 31k but lately it hasnt been reaching this far.
Was something nurfed recently?
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#37 - 2013-03-15 20:11:00 UTC
Julian Darklight wrote:
Lord Fudo wrote:
What are you wanting to use the tengu for? PvP or PvE?


I am wishing to use it for gang PVP atm.

If you try and use a railgun tengu for PVP people will laugh at you and then you will die.
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#38 - 2013-03-15 21:22:38 UTC
DiKKy Heartiez wrote:
So i guess this is offtopic but: does anyone of you know why i cant hit stuff over aprox 25k with my HAM tengu? It says it has a range of 31k but lately it hasnt been reaching this far.
Was something nurfed recently?


That's maximum flight distance; if your target is flying away from you, and you're attempting to orbit at around 25k, then the missiles will burn out before impacting.

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"

Julian Darklight
Dog Soldier Collective
#39 - 2013-03-15 22:48:28 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Julian Darklight wrote:
Lord Fudo wrote:
What are you wanting to use the tengu for? PvP or PvE?


I am wishing to use it for gang PVP atm.

If you try and use a railgun tengu for PVP people will laugh at you and then you will die.



Look, I have yet to see ANYONE build a rail Tengu, especially the kind I am wishing to build. I dont think it will work but I have the isk and the guts to actually try it. In the end I will settle for missiles more than likely but there is nothing wrong with trying new things. That attitude is the kind of attitude that holds back much of humanity.
MisterNick
The Sagan Clan
#40 - 2013-03-17 15:48:20 UTC  |  Edited by: MisterNick
A more general rule is to never fit medium railguns to anything, ever.

Ever.

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