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[Guide] What wormhole you should live in

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Winthorp
#21 - 2013-03-13 02:23:11 UTC
Oxandrolone wrote:
Winthorp wrote:
Oxandrolone wrote:
A lot of whinging about how bad my home and my neighbors are....


You guys are forever whinging about this yet the reasons you chose C6 over C5 are the same to the problems you have now.

Solution - Move back to C5's where all the fun is at.


I enjoyed c6's when we first move here, lots of farmers to slaughter, since they all been evicted your proposal sounds ok to me personally.

Had a quicky look at the SSC killboard and you have a very respectable 111b this month, when i go deeper though its alot of k-space (which is still kills) but it doesnt look like much of your kills are c5's at all.


Naww KB trolled, cute.....

CCP Definitely has made it a lot more desirable to take advantage of LS and NS connections with certain ship changes.
Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-03-13 02:25:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Casirio
I agree with you that a lot of times the massive amount of caps that swarm when you roll it can be pretty annoying. there are plenty of good fights to be had though. Note: last sunday Polarized. Vs No Holes barred . Fight took place on both sides of the wormhole (two separate fights) so I took the screenshot. Pure subcap brawl. So, its not always a cap blob. Its getting to the point where people just want fights, and you usually dont get them when you bring all the caps.
Sith1s Spectre
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2013-03-13 03:38:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Sith1s Spectre
Casirio wrote:
I agree with you that a lot of times the massive amount of caps that swarm when you roll it can be pretty annoying. there are plenty of good fights to be had though. Note: last sunday Polarized. Vs No Holes barred . Fight took place on both sides of the wormhole (two separate fights) so I took the screenshot. Pure subcap brawl. So, its not always a cap blob. Its getting to the point where people just want fights, and you usually dont get them when you bring all the caps.


Just reaffirming the point Casiro made that we've had a couple of good fights this month against both Wrong Hole. & No Holes and they were actually really fun fights (went for 3 rounds with No Holes & fleeted up for Blops with Wrong Hole. after the fights)

Lately i've been seeing more and more nano style fights which (IMO) are the most fun type of fights.

Edit: Yes I pretty much always die in fights (pretty sure they're taking bets on how many oracles i lose this month) but it's half the fun right? Cool

Cheers,

Sith

Resident forum troll and fashion consultant

Oxandrolone
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-03-13 04:19:29 UTC
Casirio wrote:
I agree with you that a lot of times the massive amount of caps that swarm when you roll it can be pretty annoying. there are plenty of good fights to be had though. Note: last sunday Polarized. Vs No Holes barred . Fight took place on both sides of the wormhole (two separate fights) so I took the screenshot. Pure subcap brawl. So, its not always a cap blob. Its getting to the point where people just want fights, and you usually dont get them when you bring all the caps.


Fights like this can happen when both sides dont use caps, but organising fights like

"ok you dont bring caps we wont bring caps"
"how many guardians you bringing and how many ECM?"
"5 guards, 2 ECMgu's"
"ok, we will bring the same"
"meet at the sun in 20 minutes?"
"ok, only if we dont pod each other"

This is super gay
Borlag Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-03-13 05:55:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Borlag Crendraven
Oxandrolone wrote:
Winthorp wrote:
Oxandrolone wrote:
A lot of whinging about how bad my home and my neighbors are....


You guys are forever whinging about this yet the reasons you chose C6 over C5 are the same to the problems you have now.

Solution - Move back to C5's where all the fun is at.


I enjoyed c6's when we first move here, lots of farmers to slaughter, since they all been evicted your proposal sounds ok to me personally.

Had a quicky look at the SSC killboard and you have a very respectable 111b this month, when i go deeper though its alot of k-space (which is still kills) but it doesnt look like much of your kills are c5's at all.


We don't restrict our fights into WH's or k-space, we prefer w-space obviously but if the chain is quiet but useful otherwise and we have low's or null's to use and abuse, we do go out on roams. That said, http://stats.whkills.info/ is quite revealing with us as #1 in isk killed in w-space, with a number almost twice as big as the next two listed, Bite Me and Bitten... As those are essentially the same, we can look further and come up with the conclusion that we've killed more than the rest of top 5 combined in w-space. So uh about that...
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#26 - 2013-03-13 09:38:02 UTC
I find it awfully hard to find targets, any targets, in c4-6 space these days. After having scanned hundreds of systems the past few months, my experience is that less than half of systems are even inhabited, and of those inhabited, a tiny fraction has active players in it. Of this tiny fraction, again a small fraction is willing to pvp. The others are only farmers, and they usually don't farm when there are unwatched holes, so even ganks only happen if you enter their system through a new wormhole.

And when I say willing to pvp I don't mean staged fights, which are better than nothing I guess but not by much. I mean players who when they see hostile activity in their home they try to find out who it is and then, if they think they have any chance to kill anything, try to kill the visitors. Instead, 95% of people only pos up or log off.

Now this is how w-space always was in principle, but I feel that is wasn't always this bad. I wonder if all the buffs to first empire PvE (Incursions), then FW, low sec and T1 ships have drawn a lot of people out of w-space and into k-space...? Concentration of pvp players into ever fewer and larger w-space alliances may also play a part.

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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-03-13 14:31:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
Your guide "sucks all round. Only an idiot would use it".


Quote:

I find it awfully hard to find targets, any targets, in c4-6 space these days. After having scanned hundreds of systems the past few months, my experience is that less than half of systems are even inhabited, and of those inhabited, a tiny fraction has active players in it. Of this tiny fraction, again a small fraction is willing to pvp. The others are only farmers, and they usually don't farm when there are unwatched holes, so even ganks only happen if you enter their system through a new wormhole.

And when I say willing to pvp I don't mean staged fights, which are better than nothing I guess but not by much. I mean players who when they see hostile activity in their home they try to find out who it is and then, if they think they have any chance to kill anything, try to kill the visitors. Instead, 95% of people only pos up or log off.

Now this is how w-space always was in principle, but I feel that is wasn't always this bad. I wonder if all the buffs to first empire PvE (Incursions), then FW, low sec and T1 ships have drawn a lot of people out of w-space and into k-space...? Concentration of pvp players into ever fewer and larger w-space alliances may also play a part.


It was always that bad. Me and my crew are 3 guys living in a w-space system somewhere. Do we always get pew? No. Can we always find it when we're looking for it? No. Are we getting as much as we want? Almost.

I guess it's the same in any space. Some days it's there non-stop, others it can't be found. The secret is striking a good balance between pvp and other things being ready to take advantage of which ever presents itself. I've known people in C5's that are nothing but pvp'ers using their CC everytime they want something in game instead of farming it. They can spend literally 4 - 5 hours a day for days looking for pew and not find it. Not what I call fun. But, whatever floats your boat.

Don't ban me, bro!

Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#28 - 2013-03-13 15:29:28 UTC
Oxandrolone wrote:

Fights like this can happen when both sides dont use caps, but organising fights like

"ok you dont bring caps we wont bring caps"
"how many guardians you bringing and how many ECM?"
"5 guards, 2 ECMgu's"
"ok, we will bring the same"
"meet at the sun in 20 minutes?"
"ok, only if we dont pod each other"

This is super gay


Those arrangements to produce a roughly even fight are imo the great things originating from the wormhole culture, we want to fight our c5-neighbours as much as we cherish ganking them in a one-sided confrontation.

If you'd create a W-Brodex that is usable to force 'such a fight', like a call to glory, then I guess that could easily insure real good fights instead of 'you're outgunned, you lose'.




Sushi Nardieu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-03-13 17:09:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Sushi Nardieu
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Oxandrolone wrote:

Fights like this can happen when both sides dont use caps, but organising fights like

"ok you dont bring caps we wont bring caps"
"how many guardians you bringing and how many ECM?"
"5 guards, 2 ECMgu's"
"ok, we will bring the same"
"meet at the sun in 20 minutes?"
"ok, only if we dont pod each other"

This is super gay


Those arrangements to produce a roughly even fight are imo the great things originating from the wormhole culture, we want to fight our c5-neighbours as much as we cherish ganking them in a one-sided confrontation.

If you'd create a W-Brodex that is usable to force 'such a fight', like a call to glory, then I guess that could easily insure real good fights instead of 'you're outgunned, you lose'.






go back to wow

******* seriously.

The Guns of Knowledge 

Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#30 - 2013-03-14 10:14:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Sushi Nardieu wrote:


go back to wow

******* seriously.



Show me on the doll where I hurt you ♥
Sushi Nardieu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-03-14 13:18:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Sushi Nardieu
Lloyd Roses wrote:


Show me on the doll where I hurt you. ♥

Edit: To late to go back to wow, the first small entities already agreed upon friendly skirmishs instead of no fights... Oh my god, fights that don't depend on your wallet, blasphemy :o


quoted.

The Guns of Knowledge 

Svodola Darkfury
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-03-15 08:30:09 UTC
Casirio wrote:
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
For all the "warnings" you are giving for people about C6's being the most dangerous of them all, yet it's mostly the C5's where the action is... Higher number of notable PVP'ing WH corps in there and as such the likelihood of good fights is higher there as well.


there's also 5x as many c5s so I don't think thats a valid claim.

and Jack, I agree you. that was the joke :P



This. The fact that there are 500 C5 systems and 100 C6 systems gives a limited resource style of play for C6s whereas C5s are so damn empty.

Svo.

Director of Frozen Corpse Industries.

Borlag Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-03-15 09:02:56 UTC
Svodola Darkfury wrote:
Casirio wrote:
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
For all the "warnings" you are giving for people about C6's being the most dangerous of them all, yet it's mostly the C5's where the action is... Higher number of notable PVP'ing WH corps in there and as such the likelihood of good fights is higher there as well.


there's also 5x as many c5s so I don't think thats a valid claim.

and Jack, I agree you. that was the joke :P



This. The fact that there are 500 C5 systems and 100 C6 systems gives a limited resource style of play for C6s whereas C5s are so damn empty.

Svo.


Both have a ton of empty systems, but with the C5's you have much more variety in who you run into, which can be both good and bad depending on what you're doing of course. Overall I'd say that C5 and C6 are both at about equal level when it comes to danger to a corp that's capable of defending itself properly, for a pure farmer setup a C6 would be more dangerous I suppose.
Richard Reveen
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-03-15 19:25:08 UTC
After reading this post I am guessing that attempting to solo farm wormholes is suicide for someone that is not pretty well connected? Trying to make money, not lose a ship every other day, know what I mean?
Chitsa Jason
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-03-16 04:14:31 UTC
Richard Reveen wrote:
After reading this post I am guessing that attempting to solo farm wormholes is suicide for someone that is not pretty well connected? Trying to make money, not lose a ship every other day, know what I mean?


Not really :)

Burn the land and boil the sea You can't take the sky from me

Oxandrolone
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-03-16 10:45:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Oxandrolone
Richard Reveen wrote:
After reading this post I am guessing that attempting to solo farm wormholes is suicide for someone that is not pretty well connected? Trying to make money, not lose a ship every other day, know what I mean?


I thought i already replied to this post, maybe it got deleted or something who knows?

But it depends what you mean by solo?

If it means 1 character solo in a drake or something then yes its hard.

But if you have a Tengu + Noctis + Proper to yourself then you can easily roam around low class wormholes and safe the tengu if you're threatened and cloak noctis / prober
Saveritas
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-03-16 15:14:06 UTC
If c4's suck, why am I making 200m / hour in them, solo?
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-03-16 15:49:38 UTC
Saveritas wrote:
If c4's suck, why am I making 200m / hour in them, solo?



Depends on the goal. C4 sites are better than people give them credit in the isk per hour. Otherwise it depends on your goals. C4 are very isolated, which does make logistics more difficult. It also makes finding PVP generally more difficult.
Domoso
Planisphere Salvage
#39 - 2013-03-16 17:19:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Domoso
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Saveritas wrote:
If c4's suck, why am I making 200m / hour in them, solo?



Depends on the goal. C4 sites are better than people give them credit in the isk per hour. Otherwise it depends on your goals. C4 are very isolated, which does make logistics more difficult. It also makes finding PVP generally more difficult.



PVP in a c4 is no more difficult than anywhere else. They have c1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 statics. Likewise, C2's, 4, 5, 6's static to them. Like any other system that doesn't static to kspace it's a matter of determination and probing/rolling the chain.

The only difficulty in finding PVP is the type of people living there. From what I've seen, mostly they're miners, farmers and they'll more likely pos up than fight. So, if you're in a c4 static to a c4, then yeah, you're likely going to have to roll that static more often to find pew. But I think the general "bad rep" that c4's have is purely based on it being the least populated aside from C6's.

Being in a system that statics to a C4, we're getting almost as much pew as we want and it's mostly coming from the c4's.

Fact is I've seen people work just as hard in other classes of w-space to find pew.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#40 - 2013-03-16 17:23:15 UTC
Domoso wrote:

Fact is I've seen people work just as hard in other classes of w-space to find pew.


Sad truth is that most EVE players are farmers, bears or just way too small to leave the POS.

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