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Why complain about High Sec but not SOV mechanics? An honest look at null bears.

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Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-03-11 22:51:44 UTC
One of the most glaring issues facing EVE is the terrible SOV mechanics which promote stagnation and isk hording and put "gf" pvp as an ancient memory.

I started to ask myself why do these null sec carebears continually come to the forums and complain about high sec and its pending destruction of this great pvp game when the SOV mechanics and system have done more harm to pvp then anything in high sec at current or in the future.

The answer is fairly obvious. These null sec alliances whom have blued up 70% of SOV space love their empires filled with isk spigots attached to moons giving them enormous passively earned wealth. They love to shoot their wealthy rats without a care in the world making more isk than mission runners in high sec. Lets not forget how much isk they earn shooting up dead space complexes without any worry about pvp. They can mine without any risk and reap the benefits. Hell no they dont want that to change. Instead they focus their energies on taking MORE by trying to lay the blame for the state of pvp in the game at the doorsteps of high sec.

I argue that may of the loudmouthed null bear trolls on this forum are more risk averse than many of the targets of their sharp tongued attacks. They are not looking for "change" to better EVE, bring about more pvp or bring balance to the game as a whole, they are simply looking for more isk and power.

Its a shame. If these null care bears would put as much effort into changing the real mechanic that can bring null sec back to life instead of engaging in the only pvp they wish to engage in at this point which is forum pvp. Turn that energy into changing SOV and it would benefit EVERYONE in the game and would draw people into null because they would have a fighting chance.

Unfortunately they are not interested in such a noble endeavor. They will merely keep on hiding the fact they are the ones who truly are the care bears hiding form the good fight behind terrible mechanics all the while acting the full part of hypocrite while pointing the finger at the "risk averse" high sec'er as the doom of everything good and righteous in EVE.

Null bears, you are not fooling anyone and only serve to make yourselves and your alliances look even more foolish than they currently look.



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Primary Me
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-03-11 22:59:17 UTC
Sariah Kion wrote:
One of the most glaring issues facing EVE is the terrible SOV mechanics which promote stagnation and isk hording and put "gf" pvp as an ancient memory.

I started to ask myself why do these null sec carebears continually come to the forums and complain about high sec and its pending destruction of this great pvp game when the SOV mechanics and system have done more harm to pvp then anything in high sec at current or in the future.

The answer is fairly obvious. These null sec alliances whom have blued up 70% of SOV space love their empires filled with isk spigots attached to moons giving them enormous passively earned wealth. They love to shoot their wealthy rats without a care in the world making more isk than mission runners in high sec. Lets not forget how much isk they earn shooting up dead space complexes without any worry about pvp. They can mine without any risk and reap the benefits. Hell no they dont want that to change. Instead they focus their energies on taking MORE by trying to lay the blame for the state of pvp in the game at the doorsteps of high sec.

I argue that may of the loudmouthed null bear trolls on this forum are more risk averse than many of the targets of their sharp tongued attacks. They are not looking for "change" to better EVE, bring about more pvp or bring balance to the game as a whole, they are simply looking for more isk and power.

Its a shame. If these null care bears would put as much effort into changing the real mechanic that can bring null sec back to life instead of engaging in the only pvp they wish to engage in at this point which is forum pvp. Turn that energy into changing SOV and it would benefit EVERYONE in the game and would draw people into null because they would have a fighting chance.

Unfortunately they are not interested in such a noble endeavor. They will merely keep on hiding the fact they are the ones who truly are the care bears hiding form the good fight behind terrible mechanics all the while acting the full part of hypocrite while pointing the finger at the "risk averse" high sec'er as the doom of everything good and righteous in EVE.

Null bears, you are not fooling anyone and only serve to make yourselves and your alliances look even more foolish than they currently look.




Or they realise that the problems off null-sec are multi faceted and that they are too complex to be discussed in one debate. There are issues with industry, POSes, sov mechanics and moon mining, and these will need to be discussed/debated as seperate entities, otherwise the problem is just too large to even contemplate fixing.

Still, I'm sure that won't stop you replying with some sort of 'No YOU, Null bear!' nonsense and then having this thread locked for rantingRoll
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#3 - 2013-03-11 22:59:36 UTC
Changing sov and null-sec industry in one fell swoop. Alright. Alright. I'm working on it. Planets, people, deadspace colonies, DUST integration, many targets of different sizes, system customizability, different value of systems, steam rolling or ankle biting. Alright. Alright. I'm making notes. Give me some time. It'll come eventually.

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New Mining Mechanics
Frying Doom
#4 - 2013-03-11 23:01:08 UTC
How did you miss the 110+ page thread about 2 months ago that covered SOV?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#5 - 2013-03-11 23:11:18 UTC
I like how the title of these threads always have "An honest look at..." as if this adds credibility to the post.

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#6 - 2013-03-11 23:11:30 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
How did you miss the 110+ page thread about 2 months ago that covered SOV?

Two months ago? I wasn't playing two months ago. Where can I find that thread?

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New Mining Mechanics
Slymah
DorpCorp
#7 - 2013-03-11 23:23:55 UTC
A well written rant is still a rant. Ugh
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-03-11 23:25:58 UTC
i didn't know we had 70% of nullsec blued

thanks for your valuable contribution to the forums as always, npc alt

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-03-11 23:26:22 UTC
Sariah Kion wrote:

I started to ask myself why do these null sec carebears continually come to the forums and complain about high sec and its pending destruction of this great pvp game when the SOV mechanics and system have done more harm to pvp then anything in high sec at current or in the future.


Welcome to human nature. Hardly anyone ever looks in the mirror.

People think that ruining highsec or buffing nullsec will cause of rush of players into null. Hah! I've got news for them.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-03-11 23:26:42 UTC
Slymah wrote:
A well written rant is still a rant. Ugh


mere capitalization and punctuation apparently passes for "well-written" these days

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Oxandrolone
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-03-11 23:26:51 UTC
tl:dr

remove local and increase the ISK from NS (not through bounties and inflation)
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-03-11 23:27:05 UTC
Oxandrolone wrote:
tl:dr

remove local and increase the ISK from NS (not through bounties and inflation)


no not really

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-03-11 23:27:40 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Sariah Kion wrote:

I started to ask myself why do these null sec carebears continually come to the forums and complain about high sec and its pending destruction of this great pvp game when the SOV mechanics and system have done more harm to pvp then anything in high sec at current or in the future.


Welcome to human nature. Hardly anyone ever looks in the mirror.

People think that ruining highsec or buffing nullsec will cause of rush of players into null. Hah! I've got news for them.


buffing hisec caused a rush of players out of null

apparently you don't really have news for anyone

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-03-11 23:34:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentamon
Andski wrote:

buffing hisec caused a rush of players out of null

apparently you don't really have news for anyone


The proper way to begin fairy tales is with "once upon a time".

Have fun with your "wargames" btw. Lol pathetic

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#15 - 2013-03-11 23:41:21 UTC
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
I like how the title of these threads always have "An honest look at..." as if this adds credibility to the post.

It's actually a signal that some major bullshitting is going on.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#16 - 2013-03-11 23:41:22 UTC
ITT: People who make tons of money off of gigantic wars beg and plead for people to start fighting again.

Not happening.
Praetor Meles
Black Mount Industrial
Breakpoint.
#17 - 2013-03-11 23:44:30 UTC
In before lock.

[insert random rubbish that irritates you personally] is further evidence that Eve is dying/thriving*

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#18 - 2013-03-11 23:45:37 UTC
EI Digin wrote:
ITT: People who make tons of money off of gigantic wars beg and plead for people to start fighting again.

Not happening.

Why not, someone is always going to try and fight the evil blue donut.

I'm not sure ~who~ but still...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
#19 - 2013-03-11 23:46:40 UTC
The OP is one of those automated angry letter generators right?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-03-11 23:48:54 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
The proper way to begin fairy tales is with "once upon a time".

Have fun with your "wargames" btw. Lol pathetic


nope

incursions were added to hisec and they were vastly more lucrative than any other activity in the game short of running capital escalations in wormholes, causing an exodus of PvE alts to hisec

continue being wrong i guess

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
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