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Potanski

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

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#1 - 2013-03-10 06:46:37 UTC

So I was thinking about Fleet Docrines and how hey usually work, Is it haveing a fleet coposition made up of the same ships? with the same fitings?

If so that does not sound very viable from my understanding of conventional warfare because IMO combined arms docrine that supports the strengths/weaknes of the wrest of the composion.

Having some long range ships using rail guns to snipe the targets in the opening engagment followed by a van guard of close range ships to brawl wih the enemy fleet at short range holding them back with webs/scrams while the long range continue to widdle them down sounds like a sound tactic.

Give me your thoughts/opinions please.

Thanks.

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Carniflex

StarHunt

Mordus Angels

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#2 - 2013-03-10 11:45:41 UTC

Thats not quite how it happens.

How this really happens usually is that Alliance A brings a fleet following doctrine "A" and alliance B' which can be its pet / smaller ally or whatever brings doctrine "B" with complements the first.

Take, for example, alpha malestroms which are covered by, for example, drake blob. You dont want long and short range mixed in the same fleet. If you have relatively small fleet you can get away with some number of wings of one doctrine and perhaps a some kind of support wing of the noobs and such flying tackle.

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Alaric Faelen

Republic Military School

Minmatar Republic

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#3 - 2013-03-10 19:51:10 UTC | Edited by: Alaric Faelen

Eve has excellent intent on a balanced fleet. It's the players that fail to recognize this and make use of it. It's very rare to find a fleet doctrine that is a simple, well balanced fleet. One with all roles involved directly. By far, most Eve fleets are relying on some trick or niche mechanic to work.

A balanced fleet would cover most if not all roles in dedicated ships. From scouts, fast tackling inties, med range cruisers as well as BS snipers, backed with logi and EWAR. You just won't find it.

Eve fleets aren't 'standing' navies but rather purpose created operations with specific goals in mind. They are formed, operate, then stand down. So they are universally more focused than the generalized, but balanced, fleet concept.

The most critical part of any FC job, or doctrine itself- is not making players into sentient drones for the FC. Having flown in both kind of fleet many times, the difference is between having fun and finding an excuse to drop fleet. It's a serious pitfall for an FC running a doctrine fleet. We're video game players wanting to have fun, not be little more than drones with names- yet the entire fleet's success is based on a rigid doctrine.............

As for doctrine ship fittings- I guess if someone else is buying or replacing your ships then you just fall in line and fly what they say.
However, I've got serious issues with several doctrine fitting I've seen, so it's a bit hard to swallow having to fly a ship with a fit I think is dumb. Still- free is free.

Taoist Dragon

x Never Regret x

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#4 - 2013-03-10 20:08:14 UTC

Think of it more like a squadron or platoon rather than a military force like the navy.

A corp/alliance may well have a very balanced 'navy' in which it can call on all flavours of ship types (brawlers, tackle, recon, Ewar, snipers etc) but when they get some intel on hostile movements they bring out a specific force (squadron) to deal with it not the entire force.

I have served in the Air force and on ops in the middle east when we recieved intel about an enemy unit we only sent out a small squadron of spcific fit aircraft to take it out not the entire fleet.

Eve kinda muddies the waters a bit by calling their gangs 'fleets' as such. But it generally does follow convention military combat concept just the scale is different.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.


Potanski Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation Likes received: 3	#5 - 2013-03-11 03:03:04 UTC Thanks for your input, Ive been just curiouse for awhile on the subject. When do you think is a situation its good to take out a battleship? Every roam ive been on its always cruisers/Battlecruiser and what not.

Andreus Ixiris

Center for Advanced Studies

Gallente Federation

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#6 - 2013-03-11 03:18:34 UTC

Potanski wrote:

When do you think is a situation its good to take out a battleship?

After the CCP Tiericide program reaches them and they become viable choices in combat again.

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Potanski Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation Likes received: 3	#7 - 2013-03-11 03:32:45 UTC Andreus Ixiris wrote: Potanski wrote: When do you think is a situation its good to take out a battleship? After the CCP Tiericide program reaches them and they become viable choices in combat again. what?