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CCP Devs: What's the Reasoning Behind the Recent Wardec Rule Changes?

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Fix Lag
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-10-14 08:05:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Fix Lag
GM Karidor announced here that wardecs can now be avoided in ways previously considered exploits. There was no accompanying devblog or explanation.

These exploits were considered as such with good reason, because without rules against them all a corporation has to do is create shell corporations which (to sum things up) all toggle decs with each other between mutual and non mutual and have members move between them as needed, and if POSes are threatened then a corporation just has to drop from an alliance and make sure their tower is stronted.

Hoping that players forget to fuel their POSes is a pretty terrible game mechanic. Allowing people damn near impunity to go about in highsec is a pretty terrible game mechanic. Making the entire wardec system require massive amounts of meta-gaming to work is a pretty terrible game mechanic.

And promising to boost CONCORD (which Hilmar recently did via Twitter) while simultaneously nerfing the ability to fight people legitimately in highsec is ludicrously stupid and goes against the very ideal that was Eve.

Why?

Why was it changed?

Why was it changed now, and why was it changed without an overhaul of the wardec system's in-game mechanics?


This change along with anecdotal evidence of meetings between CCP employees and corporation CEOs earlier this year as well as circumstantial evidence (corporation policy change timing) reeks of favoritism towards certain groups.

Remember the Aurora program? You probably don't, because it was shut down years ago after evidence of CCP favoritism when distributing rewards surfaced.

Remember the T2 BPO scandal? CCP sure does. You still can't even say the guy's name who broke the story. CCP played favorites and gave certain groups advantages over others.

Every time CCP has played favorites and tried to hide it, **** has hit the fan and things have ended badly for everyone.

So, give us a good explanation of why the rules were arbitrarily changed for the worse on October 10th. Because your credibility, or at least what little is left, is at stake here.

CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude.

Vachir Khan
Rugged Ruff and Ready
#2 - 2011-10-14 08:27:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Vachir Khan
EVE is turning to the mass market, haven't you been paying attention the last 3 years?
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-10-14 08:28:34 UTC
Perhaps it's so bittervets don't wardec nooby corps for some :elitekills:?
Fix Lag
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-10-14 08:31:38 UTC
DarkAegix wrote:
Perhaps it's so bittervets don't wardec nooby corps for some :elitekills:?


That's why corporations are allowed to join alliances.

And I'm not surprised to see this argument coming from someone in Red vs. Blue. Grow a pair and risk something bigger than a frigate.

CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude.

Stella SGP
#5 - 2011-10-14 08:38:59 UTC
Fix Lag wrote:
And promising to boost CONCORD (which Hilmar recently did via Twitter) while simultaneously nerfing the ability to fight people legitimately in highsec is ludicrously stupid and goes against the very ideal that was Eve.

Are you stupid?

Since when was anything like that "promised"? Its because of people like you that CCP has so much problems communicating outside of official channels.
Fix Lag
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-10-14 08:42:03 UTC
Stella SGP wrote:
Fix Lag wrote:
And promising to boost CONCORD (which Hilmar recently did via Twitter) while simultaneously nerfing the ability to fight people legitimately in highsec is ludicrously stupid and goes against the very ideal that was Eve.

Are you stupid?

Since when was anything like that "promised"? Its because of people like you that CCP has so much problems communicating outside of official channels.



"HilmarVeigar:
@deanasfreddie wow, that's impressive! @ArnarHrafn do we need to take a look at some CONCORD AI upgrades to curb the ganking?"

"ArnarHrafn
@HilmarVeigar @deanasfreddie I believe we need to look at it, yes"

Followed by about 5 or 10 tweets from Hilmar about how they want to make CONCORD smarter.

What I'm really saying here is that you should shut up, because you are wrong, and I have evidence to prove it.

CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude.

DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2011-10-14 08:42:19 UTC
Fix Lag wrote:

And I'm not surprised to see this argument coming from someone in Red vs. Blue. Grow a pair and risk something bigger than a frigate.

Says the forum alt.
Furthermore, RVB isn't limited to frigs, which shows what you know. (Hint: nothing)
Roll
ArmyOfMe
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#8 - 2011-10-14 08:45:33 UTC
Dear OP, why are you complaining about the war dec changes seeing as you have never had any killsRoll

And if you dont have the balls to post with your main, then you really shouldnt be the one complaining about how others are avoiding risk.

Am i doin this rite?

GM Guard > I must ask you not to use the petition option like this again but i personally would finish the chicken sandwich first so it won´t go to waste. The spaghetti will keep and you can use it the next time you get hungry. Best regards.

Fix Lag
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-10-14 08:46:07 UTC
Oh, sorry, I missed the part where you fly around in T2 ships, battleships, and capitals, killing and podding each other.

CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude.

Stella SGP
#10 - 2011-10-14 08:47:44 UTC
Fix Lag wrote:
Stella SGP wrote:
Fix Lag wrote:
And promising to boost CONCORD (which Hilmar recently did via Twitter) while simultaneously nerfing the ability to fight people legitimately in highsec is ludicrously stupid and goes against the very ideal that was Eve.

Are you stupid?

Since when was anything like that "promised"? Its because of people like you that CCP has so much problems communicating outside of official channels.



"HilmarVeigar:
@deanasfreddie wow, that's impressive! @ArnarHrafn do we need to take a look at some CONCORD AI upgrades to curb the ganking?"

"ArnarHrafn
@HilmarVeigar @deanasfreddie I believe we need to look at it, yes"

Followed by about 5 or 10 tweets from Hilmar about how they want to make CONCORD smarter.

What I'm really saying here is that you should shut up, because you are wrong, and I have evidence to prove it.

So you are stupid...

I've seen that post before and how is that a "promise"? Stop acting like a little kid and crying 'you promised' at everything people say.
Fix Lag
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-10-14 08:47:54 UTC
If I had a dollar for every time someone whined that I'm a forum alt I'd have more money than Hilmar Veigar after the latest subscription numbers came in.

CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude.

Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-10-14 08:51:09 UTC
Another forum whiner goes to "soon to be forgotten" pool.

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

mogwai
Gremlin Mining and Exploration
#13 - 2011-10-14 08:51:24 UTC
Fix Lag wrote:

And promising to boost CONCORD (which Hilmar recently did via Twitter) while simultaneously nerfing the ability to fight people legitimately in highsec is ludicrously stupid and goes against the very ideal that was Eve.

Why?

Why was it changed?


iirc, the last time CONCORD got a 'decent' boost was after the 'Yulai Incident' when Zombie Inc. tanked them to hell and back.
Since then, everything in eve has moved forward apart from CONCORD.
If you look at skills, new ships etc etc.... CONCORD is starting to look a little 'outdated' (even though they still pack a punch.)
Fix Lag
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-10-14 08:51:25 UTC
Stella SGP wrote:

So you are stupid...

I've seen that post before and how is that a "promise"? Stop acting like a little kid and crying 'you promised' at everything people say.


Get out. In the face of mounds of evidence to the contrary, you continue to blatantly display the ideal attributes of an EVE-Online scrub who spends his time running level 4s and mining ice. I'm not talking about Hilmar promising a damn game feature. I'm talking about him mentioning ever-so-not-very-subtly that they will be adjusting CONCORD mechanics once again in response to Goonswarm's suicide ganking.

CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude.

DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-10-14 08:52:03 UTC
Fix Lag wrote:
podding each other.

Look! You can see the two brain cells fighting each other!

No podding allowed or necessary.

Again, shows what you know. Nothing.

I assume you enjoy the risk of deploying a battleship blob against a bunch of hulks?
Lol

I can assure you that there's more risk in frig vs frig than blob vs Hulk.

So, get your facts straight, post with your main and stop crying.
Fix Lag
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-10-14 08:55:47 UTC
"Blob vs. Hulk..."
"But your KB stats don't show any kills"
"You're the reason CCP can't communicate"


Oh my god what the hell is wrong with everyone responding to this thread

I should give up now; Einstein was right when he said stupidity was infinite Straight

CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude.

ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#17 - 2011-10-14 08:56:45 UTC
Even if everyone in RvB only flew frigates that would mean theres a lot of fair fights as its not Domi v Frigate but rather Frigates v Frigates.

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.

ArmyOfMe
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#18 - 2011-10-14 08:57:16 UTC  |  Edited by: ArmyOfMe
Fix Lag wrote:
If I had a dollar for every time someone whined that I'm a forum alt I'd have more money than Hilmar Veigar after the latest subscription numbers came in.

not whining at all, just pointing out the irony of one risk adverse player complaining about other people being risk adverseLol


Fix Lag wrote:


I should give up now; Einstein was right when he said stupidity was infinite Straight

yeah your a living proof of that

GM Guard > I must ask you not to use the petition option like this again but i personally would finish the chicken sandwich first so it won´t go to waste. The spaghetti will keep and you can use it the next time you get hungry. Best regards.

Fix Lag
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2011-10-14 08:57:40 UTC
ACE McFACE wrote:
Even if everyone in RvB only flew frigates that would mean theres a lot of fair fights as its not Domi v Frigate but rather Frigates v Frigates.



when the hell did this thread become a thread about fair fights in EVE


because those don't exist, you see, and if you think they do then you are playing the wrong game.

CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude.

Fix Lag
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2011-10-14 08:58:33 UTC
ArmyOfMe wrote:
Fix Lag wrote:
If I had a dollar for every time someone whined that I'm a forum alt I'd have more money than Hilmar Veigar after the latest subscription numbers came in.

not whining at all, just pointing out the irony of one risk adverse player complaining about other people being risk adverseLol


I'M NOT A CHARACTER THAT EVER LOGS IN OTHER THAN THE FORUMS BECAUSE I HAVE A CATCHY NAME WHAT ABOUT THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND

CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude.

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