EVE General Discussion

Kelduum has already stated that they are avoiding a large proportion of the costs. Normally their nineteen corporation decshield would cost 72B ISK per month to maintain ... they are only paying a small fraction of that cost. So the ISK sink argument doesn't come into play either.

I get a lot of things from that, but not that CCP is providing the goods. Rather, they are saying that whatever the Uni is doing to get that ISK is fine.

Could be anything, from RMT to Uni management to buy PLEX (might explain the recent price hikes...) to market manipulation. And I get that the mechanic is in-game, so all that extra income that could be going to shiny new ******* ships is instead being used to make an NPC corp. ISK sink.

Again, you're failing to convince me that others couldn't do the exact same thing. Rather than getting up in the Uni's **** and thinking they're special for some reason (and obsessing over it), why don't you do something productive to outline the problem like Tippia?

I'm sure the method is open to all. But I doubt more than a handful know how to do it.

The one method is to simply dec an alliance-less corp multiple times, then move that corp into an alliance. All those wars now apply to the alliance for the next calculation. Corp deccing is cheaper than alliance deccing. That method is not what the Uni is doing, since Ivy League membership remains unchanged.

At any rate ... the point is that the ISK sink argument for decshields is moot. There are methods to make creating decshields inexpensive. You don't need to create your decshield at the alliance rate, you can create it at the corporate rate.


I have. I haven't gone into any detail on how to fix it ... I'll leave that for others ... but I have pointed out the big big problem here (without mentioning the Uni), is that it is now impossible to engage highsec corps (other than through suicide ganking.) That removes them all from the sandbox ... they are now, in essence, NPC corps, but with all the benefits of a player-run corporation.

So... How is what the Uni doing worse than this? I don't get why the Uni even factors into this... Right. You're completely ******* mental over them.


This is a well-thought out statement, makes a lot of sense and is a great argument. But you ****** it up by getting all tinfoil mental over the Uni (who aren't even using the corp-cost mechanic to cheapen their decshield!).

Wow.

You really need to get over them if you're going to be at all productive.

They're using a different, as yet unknown (except by a handful of people) method. Either way ... same difference.

Alrighty, still no word from the GM, but I just want to say the following.

A few months ago, CCP decided to remove the ability to make ships unprobable. This was done to “facilitate” more PvP, while also using the excuse that “no one should ever be truly safe” in EVE. The sandbox should not be so closed as to prevent combat between players. Carebears cried about this, of course, and I’ll admit I was one of them before I realized I didn’t truly care. I would just play a bit smarter and there we would go.

However, in the span of roughly six months, CCP has done a complete reversal of the “HTFU” stance. They have made it so corporations can be immune (or, rather, close to it) to war decs. They are creating a situation where you can legally close off your space. The sandbox for these people becomes only the people in the corporation and alliance, with everyone else becoming a nuisance at best.

Why is this? There is no way to say EVE University now becomes ”dec-proof”, something that Kelduum has wanted, if his posts are to be believed and that it wasn't something they wanted. Whether Poetic is right in Kelduum negotiating with CCP to implement such a thing is trivial. What matters is that the sandbox has been destroyed. Whether you agree with high sec PvP being legitimate or not, you have to understand it’s only a matter of time before other things come down the line that affect low-security space and null-security space. What’s next? Reintroduction of “unprobable” ships? Increasing the DPS of the sentry guns in low sec so that they insta-pop even a battleship?

Tinfoil hattery or not, this has real and drastic consequences to all aspects of EVE Online. This now becomes a game of who has the most money. Ships were never to be balanced around price, so why should anything else?

Any corporation that needs a 19 corp decshield to protect them from mean people and baddies ... that's a carebear corporation. How many kills and losses will you have over the next month?

I'm still waiting for you to refute anything I've said.

I never lost anything (that's your spin.) I'm just in the process of inserting it into Google Docs, where folks can analyze and confirm the data for themselves. Little point just pumping out reports on the data, if people can't see the data. What I did was just for me, so I wrote quick and dirty code, with no view to usability. Sort of the Irdalth method of design, except that I don't expect anyone to use it other than myself.

Place the blame for claiming that eve university is not a newbie corp at my door as I was the one who brought it up initially. The figures I saw mentioned were that newbs of under six months in eve university were under 50% of the total membership and players over a year were 25%. These figures were well over a year old.

Same goes for mentioning that the relationship between eve university and ccp is becoming a concern. I never took this as far as PS but I dont like the idea of any alliance getting special treatment even if it was only CCP asking what they could do to help you.



Taking the eve university 19 corp dec shield as an example the answer to your question is it has no cost if not decced but if decced it costs 950 million per week, possibly more if you dont make the aggressor corps wars mutual, instead of 72 billion.

Method to set one a decshield up is:

1. make all current wars mutual so they do not count in any calculations
2. dec with dec shield corp
3. pay 50 million
4. make this war mutual
5. repeat steps 2 through 4 until you reach desired amount

in eve universities case it would cost 19x50=950 million to set it up.



I dont think it is fair to use these stats to try to claim you are not a carebear corp as you have been in your wardec event for the last month. Were you not around 2000 members just before your month of fighting started and you lost at least 800 carebears for this event?