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Level 2 Security Missions Insanely Hard?
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Helio Battleborn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-03-08 03:09:34 UTC
Okay this is getting pretty ridiculous... I'm running level 2 missions.... in a drake.

My fit:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/57120-Drake-Cheap-Low-skill-PvE.html

So I run these level 2's.... and for some reason I end up warping out... 3 times cause I'm down to structure...

Like WTF?

I need explanations.
Melvin Frigby
Undersecretary of Pants
#2 - 2013-03-08 03:22:25 UTC
Are you swapping out resist mods for the missions? Are you using the right missiles against your foe type? What are your skills like can you get into the Drake at bare skill level or do you have at least Basic Level of Core Competency? Do you move or just sit there and take it? Using any drones?
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#3 - 2013-03-08 03:23:32 UTC
You might have the wrong shield hardeners in, if your figthing drones for instance you will want more EM resists than Kinetic. It important to look up the mission in http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=HomePage and make sure you are fitting the right hardeners for the rat types your going up against.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Helio Battleborn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-03-08 03:27:38 UTC
I only have 1.6m skill points so I'm training up Shield Operation to increase shield recharge. Maybe that will help me tank more.

I'm fighting Mercenaries. What Resist mods/ammo should I use against them?

I orbit at 15km and I use 1 Hobgoblin I
Melvin Frigby
Undersecretary of Pants
#5 - 2013-03-08 03:40:32 UTC
Bookmark and use the Eve Survival link in the last post. That will tell you what shield hardeners to use and what ammo type. At 1.6m skill points (and this is without knowing what you have trained) my guess is that you are low on skills, so your recharge rate on your passive shield Drake is too low (look to get to about 60 and that will server you ok for level 3 missions).

Also, look at the certificate planner and make sure you have Core Competency-Basic completed and then work towards Core Comp - Standard. Focus on the shield and missile skills.
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#6 - 2013-03-08 03:48:47 UTC
Thermal / Exp is a guess. without knowing the exact mission I just perused the missions index and i see the first two level 2 missions against Mercenaries shows they are weak against Thermal attacks and that they will use Thermal/Exposive against you.

Change out the kinetics for 2 thermals and an explosive. You might try Inferno Missles as they do more Thermal damage, but the built in bonuses on a drake should make Scourge the best bet, usually giving as much as 100 more dps.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#7 - 2013-03-08 03:53:30 UTC
Oh yeah one more thing, your skills might be making you orbit to close, ideally with a Heavy Missile boat you want to be out orbiting (kiting) past 30km or more (thinking of your possible skills) right click on your missle launcher and see what you range is, then adjust your orbit to be just inside of that range.

Hopefully it's not 15km.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Gally Alita
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-03-08 03:54:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Gally Alita
Bring a destroyer and kill em before they do real damage to you.

why bc lol for lvl 2.?
CMD Ishikawa
New Eden Public Security Section 9
#9 - 2013-03-08 04:55:44 UTC
Once you get a mission google it. Eve survival and Evelopedia have good info on missions, those will be really important info sources for you.

Learn to manage aggro from npcs and get some skill points no core basic skills.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-03-08 05:16:30 UTC
Use Rapid light missile instead of heavy.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-03-08 09:39:54 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Use Rapid light missile instead of heavy.


^ this

heavy missiles do reduced damage to the cruisers and frigates you're likely to be facing in level 2 missions.

get a caracal and it will be a lot easier.

Art of Explosions
Helio Battleborn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-03-08 14:26:47 UTC
I tried lvl 2's in a 425mm autocannon rupture. Armor tanked. And it was even worse
Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus
#13 - 2013-03-08 14:31:09 UTC
Helio Battleborn wrote:
Okay this is getting pretty ridiculous... I'm running level 2 missions.... in a drake.

My fit:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/57120-Drake-Cheap-Low-skill-PvE.html

So I run these level 2's.... and for some reason I end up warping out... 3 times cause I'm down to structure...

Like WTF?

I need explanations.


Do you have problems in ALL lvl 2 missions or just in Recon 1/3 ?
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-03-08 14:35:24 UTC
Helio Battleborn wrote:
I tried lvl 2's in a 425mm autocannon rupture. Armor tanked. And it was even worse


short ranged, bad tracking and really slow

what could go wrong???

Art of Explosions
Bridgette d'Iberville
Better Killing Through Chemistry
#15 - 2013-03-08 14:43:30 UTC
I do have to wonder what mission is giving you problems. Recon 1/3 is a good example of a mission in which you're not necessarily supposed to kill the bad guys. There are probably a few others. Seriously though, you might want to consider flying a cruiser or destroyer instead of a battlecruiser if your skills are not up to the task (pretty clearly indicated by the challenges you're having completing L2s in a Drake). Get in a Caracal or a Moa, you may do better. Moas can still field a decent sniper fit for PvE.

"I considered a career in griefing, but then realized that I would never achieve the level of tear generation that CCP manages to do each and every expansion."
Kodama Ikari
Thragon
#16 - 2013-03-08 15:20:24 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
Use Rapid light missile instead of heavy.


^ this

heavy missiles do reduced damage to the cruisers and frigates you're likely to be facing in level 2 missions.

get a caracal and it will be a lot easier.



100% agree. And use invulnerability fields too. Skill priorities should be shield operation and management to 4, tactical shield manip to 4 (t2 invulns/hardeners just make a huge difference), and your battlecruiser skill to 4. Offensively, missile skills, missile skills, missile skills, drone skills.

Some first-hand PI tips
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#17 - 2013-03-08 18:19:30 UTC
Get out at range in the first place with low skillpoints. Range (and speed) is part of your tank at low skillpoints. Especially if you wasted lots of skillpoints in order to get into a drake early.

It sure sucks, because the drake is a terrible slowboat. So if you cannot stand that anymore, get into a Caracal fitted with rapid light missile launchers (and an afterburner) and do stuff at 30. It probably will also be easier to fit, since it's unlikely, that you are able to fit that drake properly yet.

Remove standings and insurance.
Orlacc
#18 - 2013-03-08 19:45:34 UTC
This is a classic example of why you don't train into a bigger hull until you train the related support skills.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-03-08 20:08:18 UTC
(sarcasm on) Drake is awesome L1 mission boat! (sarcasm off)

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Inkarr Hashur
Skyline Federation
#20 - 2013-03-08 20:10:31 UTC
You're using a meta 2 shield power relay, use the meta 4. Using a second shield power relay will make a very large difference in your tank, along with using the correct shield hardeners.

Guys shouldn't he be equipping at least one target painter or a couple rigors or something?
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