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ORE ship reimbursement and upcoming expansion

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Whitehound
#141 - 2013-03-09 14:32:30 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
It is not game-breaking when a few players are finally happy.
Sure it is.
I'd be finally happy if I were given a trlilion ISK every time I logged in. It would still break the game, no matter how happy it made me.

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Where do you see a disaster happening?
At the point where skills are effectively removed from the game because “being happy not to have them” is enough reason to have the SP reimbursed. You're asking for SP remapping, which is about the most destructive thing that could ever happen.

You are confusing happy with stupid. If it was about happiness then everyone could ask for a trillion ISKs and we all would be equal and nothing would break. The markets would go crazy for a few weeks, but this is nothing the sandbox cannot handle.

We are also only talking about Mining Barges V and a one time only reimbursement of a limited number of SPs as a consequence of a game change. In your disaster scenario are you implying that CCP is constantly changing all skills around, which I agree would break the game eventually, but this is not the case.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Whitehound
#142 - 2013-03-09 14:33:37 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
I want do delete this thread and ban large numbers of specified idiot shiptosters from the forums permanently. Should CCP respect my wish? Of course not.

No, you do not really want to delete this thread. You first need to make up your mind before one actually could respect your wish. We all then know that you would probably get deleted first, because many will have the same wish, which is also why you think it is a bad idea.


Logic. Go learn some.

Sentences. Go build some.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#143 - 2013-03-09 14:44:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Whitehound wrote:
You are confusing happy with stupid. If it was about happiness then everyone could ask for a trillion ISKs and we all would be equal and nothing would break.
…apart from the economy, which is not designed for people getting free money.

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We are also only talking about Mining Barges V
No, we're talking about the simple principle that skills should not be reimbursed just because people don't want them any more for whatever reason, because that would break things. Instead, you train the skills you want to train and you get the benefits you want to get. Only if those benefits are outright removed do you get the SP back, because only then does the time become wasted.

So the question remains: why should you be reimbursed for something you haven't lost and for something that hasn't changed?
Whitehound
#144 - 2013-03-09 15:24:05 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
You are confusing happy with stupid. If it was about happiness then everyone could ask for a trillion ISKs and we all would be equal and nothing would break.
…apart from the economy, which is not designed for people getting free money.

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We are also only talking about Mining Barges V
No, we're talking about the simple principle that skills should not be reimbursed just because people don't want them any more for whatever reason, because that would break things. Instead, you train the skills you want to train and you get the benefits you want to get. Only if those benefits are outright removed do you get the SP back, because only then does the time become wasted.

So the question remains: why should you be reimbursed for something you haven't lost and for something that hasn't changed?

Now you are confusing a trillion ISKs with unlimited ISKs. The economy can well handle limited amounts of free ISKs. It can only not handle unlimited amounts of ISKs, which again would be true for a comparison if CCP made unlimited game changes.

What makes you think we are talking about principles? We are still only talking about skill points and reimbursements for game changes. Nobody has been asking for principles. Why would you need them?

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#145 - 2013-03-09 15:28:08 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Now you are confusing a trillion ISKs with unlimited ISKs.
Nope.

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What makes you think we are talking about principles?
The fact that we are.

So the question remains: why should you be reimbursed for something you haven't lost and for something that hasn't changed?
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#146 - 2013-03-09 15:30:46 UTC
Still waiting on my reimbursement for Ethnic Relations.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

Whitehound
#147 - 2013-03-09 15:35:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Tippia wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Now you are confusing a trillion ISKs with unlimited ISKs.
Nope.

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What makes you think we are talking about principles?
The fact that we are.

So the question remains: why should you be reimbursed for something you haven't lost and for something that hasn't changed?

Sorry to see you not having much belief in EVE's economy. More ISKs for me. Cool

I do understand you having a need for principles, but it is not what this is about.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#148 - 2013-03-09 15:39:29 UTC
There's actually a compromise to make here that will satisfy everybody.

Allow those people who trained Mining Barge V for the Orca and who no longer want the skill to delete the SP from their characters.
Whitehound
#149 - 2013-03-09 15:58:33 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
There's actually a compromise to make here that will satisfy everybody.

Allow those people who trained Mining Barge V for the Orca and who no longer want the skill to delete the SP from their characters.

There is no need for a compromise. It is really just a few players asking CCP for a reimbursement and others, who disagree with whatever.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#150 - 2013-03-09 16:03:39 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
There's actually a compromise to make here that will satisfy everybody.

Allow those people who trained Mining Barge V for the Orca and who no longer want the skill to delete the SP from their characters.


I tried this with Mining I, CCP denied me.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#151 - 2013-03-09 16:11:28 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
There's actually a compromise to make here that will satisfy everybody.

Allow those people who trained Mining Barge V for the Orca and who no longer want the skill to delete the SP from their characters.

I tried this with Mining I, CCP denied me.

Caldari Titan V, didn''t want that big blue boat anyway.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Velicitia
XS Tech
#152 - 2013-03-09 16:20:01 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
There's actually a compromise to make here that will satisfy everybody.

Allow those people who trained Mining Barge V for the Orca and who no longer want the skill to delete the SP from their characters.


or they could biomass the (completely unchanged) alts.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#153 - 2013-03-09 16:21:41 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
It is really just a few players asking CCP for a reimbursement and others, who disagree with whatever.

Well that's an interesting summary
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#154 - 2013-03-09 16:49:14 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
There's actually a compromise to make here that will satisfy everybody.

Allow those people who trained Mining Barge V for the Orca and who no longer want the skill to delete the SP from their characters.

There is no need for a compromise. It is really just a few players asking CCP for a reimbursement and others, who disagree with whatever.



Actually its a group of players asking to be treated differently from everyone else who has been in this situation for no good reason other than 'I dont want this skill I trained any more'. Its just like those people who whined about the updated bounty system simply because they didnt want to have one put on them, it would be very amusing if it wasnt so utterly utterly pathetic.

Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin

you're welcome

Whitehound
#155 - 2013-03-09 17:08:18 UTC
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Actually its a group of players asking to be treated differently from everyone else who has been in this situation for no good reason other than 'I dont want this skill I trained any more'. Its just like those people who whined about the updated bounty system simply because they didnt want to have one put on them, it would be very amusing if it wasnt so utterly utterly pathetic.

Yes, they want to be treated with respect, which to you is utterly pathetic. Lol

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#156 - 2013-03-09 17:20:24 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Actually its a group of players asking to be treated differently from everyone else who has been in this situation for no good reason other than 'I dont want this skill I trained any more'. Its just like those people who whined about the updated bounty system simply because they didnt want to have one put on them, it would be very amusing if it wasnt so utterly utterly pathetic.

Yes, they want to be treated with respect, which to you is utterly pathetic. Lol


Respect never even enters the equasion, the simple fact is you and the others pushing for this exception are expecting special treatment when CCP has already pointed out repeatedly why you wont be getting that.

Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin

you're welcome

Whitehound
#157 - 2013-03-09 17:31:12 UTC
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Respect never even enters the equasion, the simple fact is you and the others pushing for this exception are expecting special treatment when CCP has already pointed out repeatedly why you wont be getting that.

There is simply nothing you can do to stop them from asking anyway, is there? Lol

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Dave Stark
#158 - 2013-03-09 17:33:43 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Respect never even enters the equasion, the simple fact is you and the others pushing for this exception are expecting special treatment when CCP has already pointed out repeatedly why you wont be getting that.

There is simply nothing you can do to stop them from asking anyway, is there? Lol


considering there has been a thread about this before, and it has been moved because it was in the wrong forum...

surely this thread should be both moved, and locked.
Asmodai Xodai
#159 - 2013-03-09 17:33:46 UTC
Quote:
Training a skill and then later changing your mind and not wanting that skill falls under your admonition above.
Quote:
…and that is exactly what has happened here.


No that isn't what happened here. You either have serious reading-comprehension issues, or you are an epic troll.

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You wanted the skill before. Now you don't want it.


Wrong again. I didn't want the skills before. And I don't want them now. But 'want' has never had anything to do with it. I was willing to accept training into skills I didn't want in order to get to skills that I did want, provided there were certain assumptions about the game, and a certain "world view."

The correct analogy is getting a degree at a university, of which I have two. I don't know where you come from or how it is where you are, but in the USA you are typically "forced" (if you want a certain degree) to take a bunch of useless courses and time sinks which have absolutely nothing to do with the degree you are pursuing. But if you want that degree, you have to take the useless crap and time sinks with it. There is no other option. I have an engineering degree but was forced to take foreign languages, music appreciation, and a whole host of things that I had no interest in, did not help me in life, and which I've already forgotten because I never used it. This wasn't just my experience, it was the experience of every person I know who got a degree.

Being the troll or idiot you are, you will say one of two things: 1) you shouldn't have taken courses in college that you didn't want, or 2) this is somehow different. In both cases you would be wrong of course, just as you've been wrong with everything else you've said. However, I'm confident in the knowledge that anyone who went to college had this same experience, so 99.9% of people in the 'real world' (i.e. not on these forums) agree with me.

Now, troll moar.
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#160 - 2013-03-09 17:35:42 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Respect never even enters the equasion, the simple fact is you and the others pushing for this exception are expecting special treatment when CCP has already pointed out repeatedly why you wont be getting that.

There is simply nothing you can do to stop them from asking anyway, is there? Lol


Not really no, doesnt stop me taking pleasure from watching idiots tilt at windmills.

Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin

you're welcome