EVE General Discussion

Thats completely different to what I mean. Ok, 'license to fly an Orca' requirements may have changed, in this case. But what about all the other things that change every patch? Ships get module layouts changed *poof* magic. Etc.

Significantly? You mean like future navy frig pilots needing 8 times less SP to fly them? Totally reimburse. Or battleship pilots needing twice as little training in the future.

I also want free SP because I need to train useless skills to fly caps in the future.

If you didn't want the skill, you shouldn't have trained it.

No, it's not wasted. No, you won't be reimbursed. No, you shouldn't be reimbursed. Yes, you should get over it.

As mentioned in the blog, the only skills that we can in good conscience reimburse are the Destroyers and Battlecruisers ones.

That is because the overhaul will make the two skills mentioned above useless. Even if we were going to give the Destroyers/Battlecruisers skill points back in the allocation pool on a 1:1 ratio, we would leave players unable to fly hulls they could use before the changes (we are creating four racial variants instead of a single generic skill).

All the other skills, including Mining Barge 5 for the Orca, are not in the same category however. We are not taking your ability to fly the vessels away but changing how they are reached - players will still be able to fly them after the change. We are even modifying how skill training works to make sure you can still train the skill itself after the plan goes live.

Yes, it is annoying we leave you with a bunch of skills you have no interest into in your character sheet, and for that, you have our sincere apologies. But if we were to refund them here, other players, like capital pilots, or even people we affected during our numerous changes in the past, could rightfully claim for the same treatment. Because even if the previous concept was deemed acceptable, EVE Online is not one of these games where skill allocation can be technically wasted: with time, any player can theoretically reach and train all the skills we have to offer. There is no such thing as a Class A preventing you from seeing Class B content unless you create a new character specifically for it.

Invested skill points are still an asset - particularly Mining Barges 5, as it is very valuable for resource gathering characters. Which brings the question, why should we leave players with Mining Barge 5 trained if they are using the Orca as a hauler, or even a logistics platform for pirate related activities? That is because, initially, it was designed to be a logistic ship with a mining focus. You may not use any of its bonuses due to the sandbox nature of the game, but it didn't change the role it was initially tailored for.

So again, you do have our sympathy here - we wouldn't have spent half an hour writing this reply if we didn't care - but we cannot reimburse anything else than Destroyers and Battlecruisers in this case.

You want skillpoints reimbursed for a changed skill, when skills have been changed in the past with no reimbursment. It's not a seperate issue at all, you're just ignoring the facts.

The Old "Learning Skills" beg to differ show this, since they were removed, not changed.

As do the old "Connections Skills" since they were also removed, not changed.

....and that's just in the time I've been playing.

What I do is to respect the wish for a reimbursement by those who do want it.

Game-breaking wishes are not really worth respecting.

I want do delete this thread and ban large numbers of specified idiot shiptosters from the forums permanently. Should CCP respect my wish? Of course not.

No, you do not really want to delete this thread. You first need to make up your mind before one actually could respect your wish. We all then know that you would probably get deleted first, because many will have the same wish, which is also why you think it is a bad idea.