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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#581 - 2013-03-12 08:34:20 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
No.
Incorrect.
People often don't think about the ripple effects of their suggestions, and when they find out, they occasionally even reconsider the value of the suggestion.

Quote:
It is so not relevant for the topic.
Incorrect.
Pointing out the problems caused by a suggestion is very much part of the topic.
Whitehound
#582 - 2013-03-12 08:38:58 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
No.
Incorrect.
People often don't think about the ripple effects of their suggestions, and when they find out, they occasionally even reconsider the value of the suggestion.

Quote:
It is so not relevant for the topic.
Incorrect.
Pointing out the problems caused by a suggestion is very much part of the topic.

You talk about EVE and their players as if they were water. First it is floodgates now it is ripples.

I also was referring to your comments regarding my reading comprehension as not being the topic. I then can say where I stopped reading a comment. You however cannot use this to make it a topic, because this is trolling and against the rules. Please understand this.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#583 - 2013-03-12 08:45:17 UTC
M'pact wrote:
** Newer players are somehow under the impression that it takes 1.5-2 years to be able to pilot anything worthwhile in EVE. I have no idea where they got this erroneous information.


Newbie: What should I used for Level 4s?
BitterVets: MACH! MACH! MACH! Everything else sucks!
Newbie: I have 1 million sp and not doing all that great in a Mach, what am I doing wrong?
BitterVets: don't even think of flying BS until you have AT LEAST 10 million sp!
Newbie: this game sucks, I won't be able to do anything for years :(

I'd imagine this is the most likely scenario example :p
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#584 - 2013-03-12 08:56:20 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
You talk about EVE and their players as if they were water.
Nope.

Quote:
I also was referring to your comments regarding my reading comprehension as not being the topic.
Nope. You were referring to people not knowing what they want. If you wanted to refer to something else, you should have… you know… actually referenced it somehow, perhaps using these nifty quote tags that the forum offers.

Quote:
I then can say where I stopped reading a comment.
…and I can say that by doing so, you are ignoring the context and wilfully misrepresenting what's being said, like the troll you are. Pointing out your fallacies and lies is not trolling, nor is it off-topic — in fact, it's very much staying on topic… unlike your incessant attempts at derailing said topic with your misrepresentations, fallacies, and lies.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#585 - 2013-03-12 08:57:57 UTC
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
M'pact wrote:
** Newer players are somehow under the impression that it takes 1.5-2 years to be able to pilot anything worthwhile in EVE. I have no idea where they got this erroneous information.


Newbie: What should I used for Level 4s?
BitterVets: MACH! MACH! MACH! Everything else sucks!
Newbie: I have 1 million sp and not doing all that great in a Mach, what am I doing wrong?
BitterVets: don't even think of flying BS until you have AT LEAST 10 million sp!
Newbie: this game sucks, I won't be able to do anything for years :(

I'd imagine this is the most likely scenario example :p
To be fair, it's not really the bittervets saying that — it's the munchkins. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbies is having much more fun with what little he has. Blink
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#586 - 2013-03-12 09:00:02 UTC
Tippia wrote:
To be fair, it's not really the bittervets saying that — it's the munchkins. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbies is having much more fun with what little he has. Blink


Which is a big part of why they're bitter. Lol

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#587 - 2013-03-12 09:12:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
M'pact wrote:
** Newer players are somehow under the impression that it takes 1.5-2 years to be able to pilot anything worthwhile in EVE. I have no idea where they got this erroneous information.


Newbie: What should I used for Level 4s?
BitterVets: MACH! MACH! MACH! Everything else sucks!
Newbie: I have 1 million sp and not doing all that great in a Mach, what am I doing wrong?
BitterVets: don't even think of flying BS until you have AT LEAST 10 million sp!
Newbie: this game sucks, I won't be able to do anything for years :(

I'd imagine this is the most likely scenario example :p
I can only agree, sadly.
Well ... without the exaggeration, but it's mostly right.

Removing all the morons who only suggest new people to do mining or running missions
would greatly improve the experience for all those who have no clue what to do.

I've started trying to "reform" people in Sebestior Tribe, but it's a rather slow process.
Could use more support. ^_^
Whitehound
#588 - 2013-03-12 09:14:51 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Quote:
I then can say where I stopped reading a comment.
…and I can say that by doing so, you are ignoring the context and wilfully misrepresenting what's being said, like the troll you are. Pointing out your fallacies and lies is not trolling, nor is it off-topic — in fact, it's very much staying on topic… unlike your incessant attempts at derailing said topic with your misrepresentations, fallacies, and lies.

It does not make it a topic nor is it on topic. And blaming me for not understanding me and calling me a liar is not moving this discussion forward either. You are only trying to make me a target of your trolling. It just is not my problem.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#589 - 2013-03-12 09:21:20 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Quote:
I then can say where I stopped reading a comment.
…and I can say that by doing so, you are ignoring the context and wilfully misrepresenting what's being said, like the troll you are. Pointing out your fallacies and lies is not trolling, nor is it off-topic — in fact, it's very much staying on topic… unlike your incessant attempts at derailing said topic with your misrepresentations, fallacies, and lies.

It does not make it a topic nor is it on topic. And blaming me for not understanding me and calling me a liar is not moving this discussion forward either. You are only trying to make me a target of your trolling. It just is not my problem.

1.) You *are* a liar.
2.) You don't even know what a discussion *is*.

The only kudos one can give you is that you are trolling on a level that pisses people off so much that they
can't stop responding to your stupid posts. That said, there's no point doing it anymore, except to point
out that you are indeed, a liar, a moron and that you have serious mental health issues.
Whitehound
#590 - 2013-03-12 09:37:04 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
1.) You *are* a liar.
2.) You don't even know what a discussion *is*.

Please, tell me what you think is a lie.

I also know what a discussion is, but you seem to expecting from me that when you have a problem comprehending my point you then blame me for your failing and believe in calling me a liar is going to help you.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#591 - 2013-03-12 10:18:36 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
It does not make it a topic nor is it on topic.
Incorrect.
Pointing out your fallacies and lies is not trolling, nor is it off-topic — in fact, it's very much staying on topic… unlike your incessant attempts at derailing said topic with your misrepresentations, fallacies, and lies.

Quote:
And blaming me for not understanding me and calling me a liar is not moving this discussion forward either.
Sure it does. It means that when people look at your posts, they can skip past them and take part in the discussion, or learn how things do not work by looking at the parts of posts that you always skip.

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Please, tell me what you think is a lie.
You saying that you'd answer questions.
You saying that CCP were handing out skill levels.
You saying that people don't read or understand your posts.
Your constant misrepresentation of what people write.
You calling people trolls.
…in fact, pretty much anything you write, at this point.
ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#592 - 2013-03-12 10:34:07 UTC
Hi,

This thread has massively derailed and turned into what appears to be a personal sparring match between a very small subset of the forum populace.

I will ask if a CCP employee wishes to make a post regarding the original topic of this thread but as of now I'm closing it.

Please let me remind you of the following forum rules as all have been breached here:

Forum rules wrote:

2. Be respectful toward others at all times.
The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others.

3. Ranting is prohibited.
A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents.

4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.

5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.


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