EVE General Discussion

Pored over this:

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=74234

I have spent a lot of time and skill points teching into Orca, and it looks like a lot of stuff won't translate over into the new system. Example: Mining Barge V (I have IV), Astrogeology III, Science IV, blah blah. [Note: I never make it into Orca - in fact I stopped teching to it after reading the devblog post]

It looks like a lot of skill points and time I dumped into this specifically to get into this ship will just be wasted. Does anyone know if there will be any kind of reimbursement for this? Or is it just "tough noogies?"

Also, what do current Orca pilots think of the fact that it took them 49 days to get into this ship, and the new system will be 17 days?

....only after I get my skill points back for R & D.

That depends on what you plan to use it for.. If you want a 'small' freighter to move your stuff around, 17 days is pretty much all you need to get 180k m3 cargo, 40k fleet cargo hold and a nice big assembled ship hold. A friend of mine used his orca mainly to move his entire 'missioning' fleet of ships he used for various kinds of missions in it from hub to hub when he wanted to change which corp/faction/whatever he was missioning for.

To fly it 'well' in the sense as the guy smoking a cigar while miners around him are being boosted by his awesome presence, that will take a lot longer, but still shorter than what you need now, as you will no longer need to be able to fly a barge and such to get into that orca. So basicly, you can skill up a toon for sitting in that orca, who isn't even capable of mining themselves. Only able to tell people how to mine better ;)

I can fly an orca, and yes, it's annoying that I had to train up all kinds of skills that aren't needed to use said orca. I'm happy that they are removed though, the changes in training make skilling up for a ship much more sense. You train for what you want to fly, not a whole bunch of other skills you don't need to fly whatever it is you want to fly.

Also, this isn't the first thread where the above has been explained ad nauseaum.




That any new Orca alts I might want will take less time to train... Unless you have a time machine, the current price for a good that you own but cannot sell (i.e. a Sunk cost) is irrelevant.

I agree that the new tech tree makes much more sense, and I like it too. I just don't like that some people had to waste a ton of time sinking skill points into something and it was all useless and a waste, and no kind of reimbursement for it. Furthermore, someone under the new system doesn't have to make that sacrifice. "Tough noogies" doesn't seem to be a good explanation here.

well i can speak from experience that mining barge 5 is completely irrelevant since orca gains no benefit whatsoever from mining barge.

whats done is done i suppose, those with orcas already, myself included can be happy that we already have one. the lazy/cheapskates have to wait untill the expansion or they can just deal with it and train it now, if they want one that badly

That much I do agree with.....most indeed.

Is CCP deciding to make everything easy all of a sudden ?

As that warden said in Coolhand Luke, "What we have here is failure to communicate."

Your analogies don't work for several reasons, but I will just cover one. I didn't get any benefit of anything. Like I said, I didn't finish the training, I just dumped God knows how many weeks into training for it before I stopped after reading that blog post.

The better analogy would be that I was on a payment plan to get the car. I was dumping paycheck money into it when I could have been dumping my money into something else. Now the dealership comes along and says it is altering my payment plan. Most of the money I have paid so far doesn't count for anything. But the good news is, I can start a new payment plan and get into the car anyway, for less money than what the other plan cost (except, well, I already paid a lot of money under the old plan).



There's nothing "still extant and useful" about it. I'm not using the skills for anything. I didn't want them for anything but Orca. It was just a waste. The reason I guess you don't care is, it probably doesn't affect you.

I trained for it. Quite a while back.

And this does not affect me at all and I do not care.

This is likely due to all of the newer players complaining about some mythical "skill barrier"** that they keep hitting. CCP decided to change the ship trees so they made more sense. I approve of the "making more sense" part, at least. The "making things easier" is a big no-no as far as I'm concerned though. The "instant gratification" kiddies need to learn that not everything is like that.

** Newer players are somehow under the impression that it takes 1.5-2 years to be able to pilot anything worthwhile in EVE. I have no idea where they got this erroneous information.