EVE General Discussion

Good good.

A lot of online games already do this anyway. The only people that have anything to fear from it are botters. Stop botting.

I will happily admit that I often read many of the forums that botters frequent in hope that one day it will be full of outrage and anger when CCP target their bot.

Well I have been a very happy boy of late :)

Reading the forums of people who use a Reg Guard has been truly epic.

What makes me laugh more then anything is when people turn into Internet Lawyers and starting spouting crap like "I will sue CCP if they change any file on my PC.. rage rage rage"

He is a little something for all those people who are involved in RMT and are earning real life money from it.

Considering I have seen Titans selling for over $2500 a pop, there are people making a lot of rl money from Eve.

Whilst I doubt that CCP can do anything legally to you if you are caught, what they can do is pass over your personal details to your government tax department.. i.e HMRC for those who live in the UK, IRS for those who live in the US and inform them that you are earning extra income which you have most likely not declared

Sweet, I like this information.

next time spend a minute before you post something. you make yourself look bad

Seems like they got your number pretty quick sreegs. Only RG officially declared as "Detected" and now all the bot devs are rushing round to program new features to counter you.

*snipped links to botting forums. While we appreciate the sentiment, we can't allow this* - CCP Eterne

Reading some of this **** makes me glad I'm not doing Sreegs job. And here's me whining about banning all the fckers

(excuse my utter ignorance about how bot engines work)

That's great news but...

... do programmers who have Python, LAMP and Visual Studio installed also risk being flagged by those detection routines?

Because I'd kinda hate to be banned because of my (now former) job.

As another poster has already stated, in the UK you do not have to show any proof to the HMRC, all you have to do is fill out a very simple form on their website stating that you believe this person is not declaring an income and your reasons why.

So for example let say CCP contact HMRC stating that x person has been banned as they are involved in RMT.. i.e selling in game items for real life money then trust me, HMRC will investigate that person.

Once HMRC sniff there might be even a small outside chance that you have an undeclared income they will not stop until you show at the very least 12 months history off all your bank accounts and are able to account for all the money coming in.

A very good friend of mine was reported to HMRC for selling items on ebay and he was not declaring it as a income just over a year ago.

He had to prove to the HMRC that all the items he was selling were items that he had personally owned and that he was not buying and selling items at a profit via ebay.

Considering he had been selling items for quite a few years it took months to sort out and involved a lot of worrying as he was potentially facing a very big fine and tax bill.

As I have said, if the HMRC even get the slightest of hints they can screw somebody, they will take it.

it's impossible to say "there is no risk" when CCP can change their mind any time they want to but for now it doesn't seem likely at all.

According to a publicdemands post by civan (the Red Guard developer) CCP checks for the existence of a dll called "rgdll.dll". He doesn't say whether there are further checks to make sure that this rgdll.dll is actually Red Guard and that it is used to "protect" the EVE client, only that EVE tries to load it.
So it seems there might be a potential for false positives if you have a rgdll.dll somewhere in your library path (maybe it's the real red guard but you don't use it, or it's just some random library that you named rgdll.dll).

With rgds to dev tools I would definitely stay away from hooking up a debugger to the eve client - I can't recall anyone ever complaining that this gets you banned but then very few people have probably tried it and the silence may very well just be a lack of information.

I should probably delete my Questor folder (or at least the binaries) so as not to incur Sreegs' wrath by accident... but I can't imagine CCP banning people for the mere act of having common dev tools (such as Visual Studio) installed and so far no report mentions false positives of this sort.

Unless of course the sums involved exceed a few tens of millions of pounds, then they'll offer to make an easy deal for a few percent of the sum owed.