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Elli M0o
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-03-07 15:48:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Elli M0o
Hi

The idea is to live in a wormhole. I got this sidden urge to try wormholes for the past few weeks, i am not able to shake it off. So help me wh dudes.

I am not much into pve, all my mains live in null. I usually do anoms or 10/10s for isk and forget it until i run dry.

Keeping that in mind, how good will a c3 with a HS static be? My friend wants to do mining and pi. I want to run the sites solo or dual box them for isk.

My question is, since its hisec static (meaning i dont have a static to farm) will the sites spawning in a C3 be enough to make decent isk?

If i am putting up a large minnie tower with all hardeners setup (I need only a corp hanger and ship hanger) is there a risk of it being taken down?

Also, I am guessing other than building caps in the hole, there is no way enemies can smuggle dreads in?

EDIT: As a bonus, I will give all my votes for whomever the dude giving me the answer tells me to :)
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#2 - 2013-03-07 15:52:59 UTC
Elli M0o wrote:
My question is, since its hisec static (meaning i dont have a static to farm) will the sites spawning in a C3 be enough to make decent isk?

Probably not. The real isk is in the statics.

Elli M0o wrote:
If i am putting up a large minnie tower with all hardeners setup (I need only a corp hanger and ship hanger) is there a risk of it being taken down?

Yes.

Elli M0o wrote:

Also, I am guessing other than building caps in the hole, there is no way enemies can smuggle dreads in?

You are correct.
Elli M0o
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-03-07 15:58:58 UTC
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:
Elli M0o wrote:
My question is, since its hisec static (meaning i dont have a static to farm) will the sites spawning in a C3 be enough to make decent isk?

Probably not. The real isk is in the statics.

Elli M0o wrote:
If i am putting up a large minnie tower with all hardeners setup (I need only a corp hanger and ship hanger) is there a risk of it being taken down?

Yes.

Elli M0o wrote:

Also, I am guessing other than building caps in the hole, there is no way enemies can smuggle dreads in?

You are correct.


So that brings me to the next question, which is a good static to get?

From the topics and general reading I got the idea that, as a home base, C3 is very easily defended, a C4 is good enough since they cant bring in caps (or can they?).

If thats the case, assuming i get a C3 home, which static will be good for pve content? (solo or dual boxing - doesnt matter about the ships, i can fly them all with good skills) I am guessing a C4 or C3 or C2 static will be decent?

Also i think most of them will be taken already?
Backfyre
Hohmann Transfer
#4 - 2013-03-07 16:16:56 UTC
With WH PvE, you typically pick your static for the PvE. It takes time for sites to spawn, so what people do is they roll their static to look for a WH that has sites to run.

IIRC, C3's only have 1 static. Choose wisely. Perhaps a C2 with a static C3 would work. C2's however, do get a lot of traffic from those that live deeper in W-space.

Solo / dual boxing, you can run up to C3s with little difficulty. There is also a name for people who solo / dual box - "target".

Plenty of unoccupied WH.

How easily do you want to access k-space? From a C4, you will almost always have to go through one other w-space system. Sometimes a chain. Each WH is added risk for "targets".
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#5 - 2013-03-07 16:19:21 UTC
C3 is probably optimal. C2 works but they get a lot of traffic and make a bit less ISK. C3 is considerably harder though, but still fairly easily soloable with a halfway decent fit. C4 are really hard to solo, and even if you manage to do it, C4 sites would be so slow to clear that rolling a C3 static would make much more ISK on average.

As a home system C4's are ridiculously safe, since they never get direct K-space connections, so bringing in and supporting an invading subcap fleet can be unpleasant and since you can not bring capitals in from C5 or C6 wormholes either, no one bothers.
Elli M0o
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-03-07 16:50:56 UTC
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:
C3 is probably optimal. C2 works but they get a lot of traffic and make a bit less ISK. C3 is considerably harder though, but still fairly easily soloable with a halfway decent fit. C4 are really hard to solo, and even if you manage to do it, C4 sites would be so slow to clear that rolling a C3 static would make much more ISK on average.

As a home system C4's are ridiculously safe, since they never get direct K-space connections, so bringing in and supporting an invading subcap fleet can be unpleasant and since you can not bring capitals in from C5 or C6 wormholes either, no one bothers.


So its good to look for a c4 home with either a c3 (best) or c2 static (ok). I am not too bothered about having a k-space connection all the time and I am used to travelling through hostile space.

Now last question, can you guys recommend a place where i can look for such a wh? I know about the sell orders forum, but do u know anyone who is reliable and sells wh regularly?

Also is there a place where i can read about the finer techniques of rolling statics?
Yokomaki
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-03-07 18:24:21 UTC
There is a wormhole sales website. I used it and it went smoothly.

Firstly congrats on making the decision to move into WH space. Be prepared for it to gather all of your attention. If there are just 2 of you things are more difficult obviously. If you live in a C4 you are less likely for someone to want to take down your POS. There are PLENTY of other C4s out there and it's not like yours is special. In a C1,C2,C3 someone might want your system and you typically need to have a tougher defense. If our corp grew to the strength where we could hold a C2 static C4 we would because the logistics of having a HS exit would make things tremendously easier.

Logistics: Three days in a row last week we had a chain that looked like this C6-C4-C4-C4-C4-C6. Not once, but THREE DAYS IN A ROW. I thought I was in bizarro world. It happens so you better have everything you need because you do not want to be "target" going down that chain. That doesnt even include the multiple K162's coming from other systems. It was actually fun if you wanted to PVP since there was a lot of traffic. On days like that it's like Christmas and everyone and their mom is travelling through your house. You either PvP or go play something else. In a C1,C2,C3 you'll always have traffic. If it's just you trying to move fuel or supplies in, you will get ganked.

We moved into a C4 static C1 because in my initial research I read that was the least likely to be invaded. I wish we had moved into a C4 static C2 or C3 instead because the C4 static C1 really was pretty ******. You will be safe in any C4 unless you really **** someone off or there is an incredibly bored alliance and you just happen to win the lottery. I doubt that'd happen though.

Shoot for a C4 static C2 or static C3. You'll be in a relatively safe home system and can dive into the static for some ISK making or pvp. We never got ganked in our static C1 but we were overly cautious (eyes on everything and only when there weren't any K162s at home or static) but even then I'd attribute plenty of that to being lucky.

Trust me when I say there is almost always someone watching...probably for hours.
Elli M0o
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-03-07 19:03:29 UTC
Yokomaki wrote:
There is a wormhole sales website. I used it and it went smoothly.

Firstly congrats on making the decision to move into WH space. Be prepared for it to gather all of your attention. If there are just 2 of you things are more difficult obviously. If you live in a C4 you are less likely for someone to want to take down your POS. There are PLENTY of other C4s out there and it's not like yours is special. In a C1,C2,C3 someone might want your system and you typically need to have a tougher defense. If our corp grew to the strength where we could hold a C2 static C4 we would because the logistics of having a HS exit would make things tremendously easier.

Logistics: Three days in a row last week we had a chain that looked like this C6-C4-C4-C4-C4-C6. Not once, but THREE DAYS IN A ROW. I thought I was in bizarro world. It happens so you better have everything you need because you do not want to be "target" going down that chain. That doesnt even include the multiple K162's coming from other systems. It was actually fun if you wanted to PVP since there was a lot of traffic. On days like that it's like Christmas and everyone and their mom is travelling through your house. You either PvP or go play something else. In a C1,C2,C3 you'll always have traffic. If it's just you trying to move fuel or supplies in, you will get ganked.

We moved into a C4 static C1 because in my initial research I read that was the least likely to be invaded. I wish we had moved into a C4 static C2 or C3 instead because the C4 static C1 really was pretty ******. You will be safe in any C4 unless you really **** someone off or there is an incredibly bored alliance and you just happen to win the lottery. I doubt that'd happen though.

Shoot for a C4 static C2 or static C3. You'll be in a relatively safe home system and can dive into the static for some ISK making or pvp. We never got ganked in our static C1 but we were overly cautious (eyes on everything and only when there weren't any K162s at home or static) but even then I'd attribute plenty of that to being lucky.

Trust me when I say there is almost always someone watching...probably for hours.


Thats helpful mate. Thanks. Can u please give me a link about that sales website?
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-03-07 19:22:16 UTC
Elli M0o wrote:
Yokomaki wrote:
There is a wormhole sales website. I used it and it went smoothly.

Firstly congrats on making the decision to move into WH space. Be prepared for it to gather all of your attention. If there are just 2 of you things are more difficult obviously. If you live in a C4 you are less likely for someone to want to take down your POS. There are PLENTY of other C4s out there and it's not like yours is special. In a C1,C2,C3 someone might want your system and you typically need to have a tougher defense. If our corp grew to the strength where we could hold a C2 static C4 we would because the logistics of having a HS exit would make things tremendously easier.

Logistics: Three days in a row last week we had a chain that looked like this C6-C4-C4-C4-C4-C6. Not once, but THREE DAYS IN A ROW. I thought I was in bizarro world. It happens so you better have everything you need because you do not want to be "target" going down that chain. That doesnt even include the multiple K162's coming from other systems. It was actually fun if you wanted to PVP since there was a lot of traffic. On days like that it's like Christmas and everyone and their mom is travelling through your house. You either PvP or go play something else. In a C1,C2,C3 you'll always have traffic. If it's just you trying to move fuel or supplies in, you will get ganked.

We moved into a C4 static C1 because in my initial research I read that was the least likely to be invaded. I wish we had moved into a C4 static C2 or C3 instead because the C4 static C1 really was pretty ******. You will be safe in any C4 unless you really **** someone off or there is an incredibly bored alliance and you just happen to win the lottery. I doubt that'd happen though.

Shoot for a C4 static C2 or static C3. You'll be in a relatively safe home system and can dive into the static for some ISK making or pvp. We never got ganked in our static C1 but we were overly cautious (eyes on everything and only when there weren't any K162s at home or static) but even then I'd attribute plenty of that to being lucky.

Trust me when I say there is almost always someone watching...probably for hours.


Thats helpful mate. Thanks. Can u please give me a link about that sales website?



Sell Forums. Keep scrolling down.
Lydia vanPersie
Soltech Armada
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#10 - 2013-03-07 19:39:15 UTC
There is always a risk of your tower being taken down. If it's just you, your alt and one other person then you'd probably be best off using a small tower with 0/1/2/2 hardeners and stront tanking it. C4s are the least desirable to invade, although their PvE is at the upper limit of what can be done solo.

(^;

WInter Borne
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-03-07 22:35:28 UTC
Lydia vanPersie wrote:
There is always a risk of your tower being taken down. If it's just you, your alt and one other person then you'd probably be best off using a small tower with 0/1/2/2 hardeners and stront tanking it. C4s are the least desirable to invade, although their PvE is at the upper limit of what can be done solo.

Why not make it a large with hardeners...more a PITA and not that much different in terms of cost/volume.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#12 - 2013-03-07 22:57:08 UTC
As said above, C4 with a C2/3/4 static is a good place for a nice mix of PvP, PvE and a reasonably safe home system.
Incindir Mauser
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-03-07 23:40:19 UTC
Elli M0o wrote:
Hi

The idea is to live in a wormhole. I got this sidden urge to try wormholes for the past few weeks, i am not able to shake it off. So help me wh dudes.

I am not much into pve, all my mains live in null. I usually do anoms or 10/10s for isk and forget it until i run dry.

Keeping that in mind, how good will a c3 with a HS static be? My friend wants to do mining and pi. I want to run the sites solo or dual box them for isk.

My question is, since its hisec static (meaning i dont have a static to farm) will the sites spawning in a C3 be enough to make decent isk?

If i am putting up a large minnie tower with all hardeners setup (I need only a corp hanger and ship hanger) is there a risk of it being taken down?

Also, I am guessing other than building caps in the hole, there is no way enemies can smuggle dreads in?

EDIT: As a bonus, I will give all my votes for whomever the dude giving me the answer tells me to :)


Bob says, "Thou shalt put onlined guns on your PoS".

Why?

Because like everything else in EvE, if you don't secure it, someone, somewhere will come and try and take your stuff or push your sandcastle over.

More to the point. If you don't put guns on your PoS, I may come and reinforce it for you. Out of the kindness of my steely black heart. If someone like myself should find your PoS in the same undefended state it was in when I rolled through a month earlier. I may just camp out and see what juicy tidbits you leave in your SMA's.

Seriously. Put guns on your PoS.

C3's see a lot of traffic. Good if you like PvP, not so good when you're trying to make some money. I would shoot for a c4 with a c3 static. C4's are a wasteland pretty much, your PoS should be relatively safe if you're doing the solo thing. You may get the occasional Wormhole Superhighway with no K-space statics.

illy velo
Emergency and I
#14 - 2013-03-08 00:22:59 UTC
Another reason to put guns on your tower...

Lets say my cloakie scout sees you sitting there in an Orca. You warp to your static hisec which happens to be the system I run my little operation out of. I see you leave local and warp to your hole and to your pos at ZERO. When I land and bounce off your undefended POS forcefield I cloak up in my Proteus and wait for my cloakie scout to return with a mobile warp disruptor. You jump back in a few minutes later and are trapped in my bubble, you are dead.

I managed to catch a vindicator in 0.0 a few weeks ago with this very same trick. So put guns on your POS.

If you want a quiet system, I think C3 static Low is pretty good if you don't care about access to hisec. I could imagine some nice ganks on ships jumping to losec and back in etc. I lived in a C3 static hi (D845) for a while and the PI alone was pretty good isk but we were always dry on public sites.


Elli M0o
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-03-08 00:55:03 UTC
illy velo wrote:
Another reason to put guns on your tower...

Lets say my cloakie scout sees you sitting there in an Orca. You warp to your static hisec which happens to be the system I run my little operation out of. I see you leave local and warp to your hole and to your pos at ZERO. When I land and bounce off your undefended POS forcefield I cloak up in my Proteus and wait for my cloakie scout to return with a mobile warp disruptor. You jump back in a few minutes later and are trapped in my bubble, you are dead.

I managed to catch a vindicator in 0.0 a few weeks ago with this very same trick. So put guns on your POS.

If you want a quiet system, I think C3 static Low is pretty good if you don't care about access to hisec. I could imagine some nice ganks on ships jumping to losec and back in etc. I lived in a C3 static hi (D845) for a while and the PI alone was pretty good isk but we were always dry on public sites.





Thank you, i dint think that way. Ofcourse, i planned to have guns anchored and offline incase of a siege. Say, would a disruptor or a neut onlined would discourage such lone visitors?
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-03-08 03:10:29 UTC
Elli M0o wrote:
illy velo wrote:
Another reason to put guns on your tower...

Lets say my cloakie scout sees you sitting there in an Orca. You warp to your static hisec which happens to be the system I run my little operation out of. I see you leave local and warp to your hole and to your pos at ZERO. When I land and bounce off your undefended POS forcefield I cloak up in my Proteus and wait for my cloakie scout to return with a mobile warp disruptor. You jump back in a few minutes later and are trapped in my bubble, you are dead.

I managed to catch a vindicator in 0.0 a few weeks ago with this very same trick. So put guns on your POS.

If you want a quiet system, I think C3 static Low is pretty good if you don't care about access to hisec. I could imagine some nice ganks on ships jumping to losec and back in etc. I lived in a C3 static hi (D845) for a while and the PI alone was pretty good isk but we were always dry on public sites.





Thank you, i dint think that way. Ofcourse, i planned to have guns anchored and offline incase of a siege. Say, would a disruptor or a neut onlined would discourage such lone visitors?

Best bet is to make your POS as prickly as possible. Guns, neuts, scrams, webs, and rainbow jams, all online in quantity, with plenty of backups anchored, and all spread out across the tower so they can't be bombed out. Of course, if you can handle the fuel costs, a second well-defended tower helps tremendously, too. Reinforcing towers with only subcaps takes plenty of grindstones, so to speak ;)
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#17 - 2013-03-08 14:04:45 UTC
Elli M0o wrote:


Thank you, i dint think that way. Ofcourse, i planned to have guns anchored and offline incase of a siege. Say, would a disruptor or a neut onlined would discourage such lone visitors?


I'd reccomend in wormhole space always putting up a decently setup large POS. While having hardeners anchored isn't a bad idea I'm personally of the opinion a strong offense is a better defence and go with online active modules in their place.

As in a C3-4 your unlikely to encounter hostile capitals used against you I'd go fairly ECM heavy with atleast 4 disruptor/scrams and a good compliment of medium batteries plus some token smalls for popping scanning frigs, etc.
Conar
My Wormhole Hurts
#18 - 2013-03-08 16:53:09 UTC
C3 LS static
Large POS with med/small guns, hardners, ecm, warp scram, extra guns
Fairly quiet, less chance of traffic.
quite a few random exits into HS or just a jump to HS.

Bottom line is: If you are going to stay, go all out on the POS but plan to loose it and everything else. If someone wants to take you down, they will.

If you just want to try it out, bring in a small pos, hanger and ship hanger. Run some sites and dabble in PI. I promise you will be hooked at some point and be thinking about a Large pos soon enough.

Never fly or own anything that you are not planning on loosing at some point.

Conar 07
Elli M0o
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-03-09 17:24:43 UTC
Conar wrote:
C3 LS static
Large POS with med/small guns, hardners, ecm, warp scram, extra guns
Fairly quiet, less chance of traffic.
quite a few random exits into HS or just a jump to HS.

Bottom line is: If you are going to stay, go all out on the POS but plan to loose it and everything else. If someone wants to take you down, they will.

If you just want to try it out, bring in a small pos, hanger and ship hanger. Run some sites and dabble in PI. I promise you will be hooked at some point and be thinking about a Large pos soon enough.

Never fly or own anything that you are not planning on loosing at some point.

Conar 07


Guys i am almost settled on getting a minmatar large since it seems to have a good cpu/pg mix. Is it a good idea?

What about the med guns on it? Should i go arty or AC? I mean even the pos guns will be affected by things like transversal or no?
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#20 - 2013-03-09 17:51:21 UTC
Min large POS is a good choice as it has tons of shield HP as well as good CPU/PG we've always used them.

In the past when living in C3/4 for medium guns we've gone with roughly 2/3rds autocannons, 1/3rd arty. Don't forget that medium POS guns use large rather than medium ammo (small guns use medium ammo, large guns use x-l).
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