Warfare & Tactics

While the use of certain programs to manage multiple accounts is certainly borderline cheating imo, multiboxing is not in and of itself. And CCP is never going to ban it lol. That'd kill off half or more of their playerbase instantly. Every remotely serious player I know runs two accounts at least.

On a secondary note, please leave your personal problems at home or discuss them with your corp mates. No one in this game is going to care, and with people like Tang Tso in this game, we probably won't believe you either. Telling someone at random ingame about your rl issues is like walking up to a random person in the street and talking to them about it lol. Go see a doctor, get some friends, or do anything besides seek help from random people in a video game.

So your point is "If you can't beat 'em join 'em!".

Having several accounts and using them -> perfectly justified.
Using your account(s) for whatever you feel like -> totally within the sandbox
Multiboxing and off-grid-boosting -> all legitimate and game mechanics abiding

However, you pay for extra accounts to get an extra chance of winning. That is pay-to-win - of course, that needs player skill, I give you that - but it is what it is.

Dear CCP, this is something you might want to look into. Game mechanics. (;

I'm on your side about trollers being , but I simply can't imagine any faceless video game player being able to in any way affect me so. Much less an obvious idiot.

Now multi-boxing is a better topic. It IS pay to win, get over your justifications. Anything that is done specifically to circumvent the game's mechanics is a cheat. It's that simple.

Using a 'disposable person' to scout a gate ahead of your shiny ship is, by definition, NOT PLAYING EVE.
Don't be a loser in the basement, make some friends, have them scout. PLAY the game rather than seek ways to simply brush off the game mechanics. Or...dread...take a risk and maybe get shot. Oh no, not with internet spaceships!

Which begs the question- if the game's intent (that of letting you create a 'life' in New Eden) holds no interest for you, and the games mechanics of risk/danger are optional, best paid to ignore, why play at all? Is there so much self-esteem to be gained from 'winning' a video game that the GAME ITSELF is just there to be exploited? And how does one get any satisfaction in a victory accomplished without any actual risk?

Call it hokey, but MMO players by and large utterly forget the INTENT of the game they're playing. It's just numbers, KMs, a fancy calculator. For all the odd balances and outdated code of Eve, by far the worst unbalancing metric is the players themselves being wholly uninterested in Eve as a game. No amount of balancing by devs will matter if all people care about is finding some way to work around any given restriction by use of tactics that only work because it's a game.

Now, obviously CCP doesn't care. Subscriptions are why they make the game. It all boils down to the players. And obviously players care more about claiming victory than how they got there.

It's too idealistic to hope people will play a game as it's intended. Not in the RP sense, but in the sense that the rules aren't just there to be taken advantage of by who ever feels like paying more than everyone else.

In the end I just play the game as it's intended. If it costs me isk, ships, or KMs, then whatever- it's a game and 'winning' at it isn't so important to me that I run spreadsheets, multi-box, care about isk/hour or anything NOT FUN. Sadly for too many people, they don't like Eve enough to have fun even if they're not always winning.

Dude, I would be so fine with that, if there was a chance to at least kill the booster that would go a long long way to making it a legit mechanic.

As it stands, I do know someone who is notorious for scanning down and killing boosters. A 2003 player with an alt with all lvl 5 scan skills and a billion in implants. Currently not all boosters can be hit, there is a thread about it somewhere.

I am a big fan of giving people a chance to fight back.


BTW, the people on here defending multi boxing in a fight need to go outside a little more and wake up. Would you take a fistfight against 4 people your same size, karate skills aside.

This is an MMO whatever. The social interaction aspect of the game is one of the great things about EVE. Relying on your friends for logi and support are part of the challenge.

Part of the game is "realistic science fiction" like Star Trek. If it were real life there would be one of you. Of course, if it were realistic: a computer on a starship could probably control a few scan probes itself.

Multiboxing should be banned. In PVP it might be hard to control multiply accounts in most cases, but there are still pretty many cases that needs banning it.

1. One man sniperfleets in example. Lets say one will make a 150+ km bookmark near gate and warp 10 man tornado fleet into that spot and insta shoot anyone. This does not require much actually as if u have same fit on each ship its pretty much 2 clicks to lock the target and pop.

2. Mining is pretty eazy with boxing software, does not require any effort to mine dat ice with 80+ accounts. This is seen in may systems so its easy as a pie.

There is a HUGE difference in a multiboxer and someone who plays more accounts at once - imho.
Just saying because i think OP is mixing it up.

Actually - what's the difference in terminology being used here. What is Multiboxing - and what is playing more than one account at a time?

Is multi boxing where you send the same instructions to multiple screens? Or sommat? Becasue I don't do that. For clarification - I use two rigs with four screens betwen them and Synergi to let the mouse and keyboard work between them. Don't know what that's called.

But I really don't see the issue in doing it.

The main issue though is CCP introduced OGB as a stop-gap solution to how Fleet Boosts were provided and the survivability of Tech 3 Warfare Link ships ... I would hardly call 5 years a STOP-GAP measure, for an issue that should never have been a problem in the damn first place.

What I think is even worse is frankly the bonus' provided by Skills, Implants and Warfare Links.
It frankly makes players with very high SP damn near untouchable ... especially when fighting new players, I mean for a new player it is already going to be a tough fight against a high-skills player as the disparency between being able to "fly" something and "maxed out" is often massively different in performance terms.

I mean the difference between a new player (say 1-2 weeks old) flying a Hookbill, and myself with my Missile Implants and Skirmish Links in the same basic fit; they might do 80dps, 5k eHP tank being able to scram out to like 11k ... where-as I will be pushing 200dps, 12k eHP and scram out to 15k.

I'm not saying as long-term players we shouldn't be rewarded for the time we put in to the game - but the difference between being new and old in terms of ship performance is just simply ridiculously large. Especially when you're playing with all of these extras.

Frankly I don't see any of this as a "Pay 2 Win" situation, have no issues with that. The day Pirate / Faction gear becomes AUR only like it is in DUST 514, then yes I will complain about that being the case in the game ... frankly I will likely just give up EVE at that point as well, because we pay a subscription so that bullshit doesn't happen. Free-to-Play games are frankly a cancer on the games industry right now that should be cut out with a knife and left to die.

No my entire issue here is just the sheer difference between, Skills, Implants and Boosts.
It is far to great and especially in the case of OGB there is basically no risk involved - sure if you use a normal Command Battlecruiser it can be probed down, but T3 with ECCM you might as well give up because even as a highly skilled prober - they are an absolute ***** scan down ... in-fact damn near impossible. I know CCP changed it so they weren't completely unprobable but frankly they might as well be.

Still don't understand why Sensor Strength has anything to do with the ability for someone to probe you down.

I just suck at dual-boxing, simple as that.

Dual-boxing on a long roam in a small gang is a bloody nightmare, especially if one ship warps significantly faster than the other - or you're probing with one. When I'm forced into dual-boxing I can pretty much guarantee that one character is going to end up playing catchup with the rest of the gang.

Multi-boxing for cyno chaining is about the only time I ever run multiple concurrent accounts - and that's rare as I'm very lazy

Quite so. If anything one would expect it to be the opposite.
I think its fine to have a way to make yourself harder to probe down, its just a bit odd.

On your other points
-half dps/ehp and scram range is a TINY differential compared to most MMO pvp scenarios. I don't think a 1-2 week old character should realistically have a chance of beating a veteran with all that extra money invested. Nature of the game and all that.
-I agree with you on the risk/reward bit. Atleast you know if you're fighting someone with pimped modules or implants, they're risking a lot if they do get killed.