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Sanctioned Cheating / Multiboxing / Boosting

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Juicescro
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-03-07 12:59:54 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Suvetar
I was there for the protest in Jita. "No cash for epic battle cruisers", "No real money exchanged for 2x more powerful ammo", "No pay to win" were some of the cries heard over and over again. And some of us were there to look at the pretty lasers blasting the monument. Cool

I didn't understand what it was all about at the time. CCP vowed to listen to its player base. For the most part CCP has done their part. Fantastic new expansions, ships and ship balancing. But they slipped one past us. Multi boxing accounts and off grid boosters. Even advertising on the log in screen for more accounts.

Snipped - Sorry, Kill mails are only allowed in Crime and Punishment - ISD Suvetar

Sadly, I have a second account, and now I'm training it up to be an off grid booster. I feel like a hypocrite, I feel like a hard times working class person who accepts a job in a collection agency call center.


CCP, you need to get on this booster issue fast, I know it might cost you some money in the very short run, but think of how much better the game is when people participate in the social aspect, when people rely on their corp mates for logistics and command ships. This is ridiculous:

Snipped - Sorry, Kill mails are only allowed in Crime and Punishment - ISD Suvetar


1. Make warp core stabilizers not work in factional warfare plexes. The idea is they are territory that it is supposed to be fought for.

2. Stop multi boxing, Eve is an awesome game with unreal dynamic pvp. But a condor warp scrambling another ship and orbiting it at 33km and 5600m/s is not balance, its pay to win.
Kodama Ikari
Thragon
#2 - 2013-03-07 14:42:16 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Suvetar
OGB is getting looked at
Multiboxing is fine and acceptable and always has been. Its not botting.
WCS are nothing new
CCP takes offensive language and racial slurs seriously. If you're upset by them then file a petition-it will be addressed. Don't
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Juicescro
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-03-07 15:05:18 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Suvetar
Kodama Ikari wrote:
OGB is getting looked at
Multiboxing is fine and acceptable and always has been. Its not botting.
WCS are nothing new
CCP takes offensive language and racial slurs seriously. If you're upset by them then file a petition-it will be addressed.
Snipped personal attack - ISD Suvetar



You really don't need to be so callous. I think multi boxing is a pay to win dynamic. Calling this a "whine" thread comes off very rude in a thread where a lot of people are talking about being abused.

OGB needs to get looked at sooner.

I would appreciate if you didn't have anything constructive to say you could keep your opinions about who is whining to yourself.

CCP does not take offensive language seriously. Many have filed petitions, including the above.

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Ohishi
Apocalypse Reign
#4 - 2013-03-07 15:40:05 UTC
I am living proof that multiboxing isn't an iwin button, and to be honest it is actually harder in a few scenarios to control more than one account. I do agree that the booster nerf can't come fast enough.

Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Seek what they sought.

Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#5 - 2013-03-07 15:57:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Princess Nexxala
If they have the drive and attention span to multi box, I say let them. Not cheating at all. I would love to be able to dual box, but I am just too lazy.

I would also like to see OGB gone, but tbh I can't see them removing it completely as it would cause lots of alt accounts subs to lapse. We will get some sort of nerf soonish tho.

nom nom

ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#6 - 2013-03-07 16:40:25 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
how is ogb a pay to win feature. pay to win is wen someone buys something from a game store like golden ammo or a harder ship which can be repeated everytime youve used it up or died. you cant just buy boosters from ccp someone trained that toon and spent alot of time doing so yes they can be bought from bazarr but so can any toon, it cant be made a rule no selling boosting toons. As for the stopping ogb they said they would look into it but the code for them just to have an area of effect or being system wide is a little too complicated for them atm....

multiboxing is fine if someone can run more than one account good luck to them tbh, again this is something that isnt just bought but trained toons for and only certain people can do it.... so no pay to win here either

and for those who are crying like babies at been trolled....... Grow Up its a game i have 1 simple solution BLOCK THEM
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#7 - 2013-03-07 17:35:53 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Suvetar
This thread is ..... sad.....

1.) Multiboxing is not a big deal.... In my experience, multiboxing takes a lot of effort and concentration, and is fairly difficult to pull off (I try not to multibox in combat too much, cause I often screw up piloting when I do).

2.) OGB's suck.. and CCP is looking into them, but they aren't cheating... they are just cheap!
Kezn Tzestu
Jonas Virpio Corporation
#8 - 2013-03-07 17:40:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Kezn Tzestu
I have 3 accounts but i never multibox for pvp, i usually do other stuff if i do multibox, i have no problem with ppls multiboxing if they want, i would however like to see some kind of sign on the target that he is boosted. I love the 1v1's / solo killing, but constant meeting players that make it seem like this will be a straight up 1v1 or 1v2 ect but in reality has a booster camped

if there simply was a icon to show that the target player is boosted, doesnt have to tell anything about what boost or anything like that, i couldnt care less about ppls multiboxing as a player controlling a small gang on his own i would at least see that there is involved more than just the one ship with d-scan ect.

Multiboxing a small gang takes at least skill to pull off, having a neutral loki camped in a remote area does not.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#9 - 2013-03-07 19:39:12 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
I've removed some off topic and trolling posts. Please remember to keep it civil and on topic. Also, if another player is harassing you, it is highly suggested that you write a petition about them. thank you.

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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-03-07 20:59:24 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
how is ogb a pay to win feature. pay to win is wen someone buys something from a game store like golden ammo or a harder ship which can be repeated everytime youve used it up or died. you cant just buy boosters from ccp someone trained that toon and spent alot of time doing so yes they can be bought from bazarr but so can any toon, it cant be made a rule no selling boosting toons. As for the stopping ogb they said they would look into it but the code for them just to have an area of effect or being system wide is a little too complicated for them atm....
multiboxing is fine if someone can run more than one account good luck to them tbh, again this is something that isnt just bought but trained toons for and only certain people can do it.... so no pay to win here either


I don't know why people are so reluctant to admit Eve is pay to win. You can boost literally every aspect of your stats using real money. What generally makes it feel acceptable is that there's more risk attached to wearing a Snake set or flying a pirate frigate or using faction modules or having a 50mSP clone. Ogbs do seem to break that rule a bit if they're as hard to scan down as some have indicated.
ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#11 - 2013-03-07 22:04:04 UTC
there are many point here that are completly wrong yes u can buy stuff in game that boost ur chances of winning but dont garuntee a win and are accesable to all if they grind isk and train for these things it is not like world of tanks were u buy extras like golden ammo for irl cash from the game developers.

50mill sp clones dont come from buying extras from ccp they come from people taking time to train them it will happen in ne game ofc older players will have more sp than newer players..
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#12 - 2013-03-07 22:12:06 UTC
Takseen wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
how is ogb a pay to win feature. pay to win is wen someone buys something from a game store like golden ammo or a harder ship which can be repeated everytime youve used it up or died. you cant just buy boosters from ccp someone trained that toon and spent alot of time doing so yes they can be bought from bazarr but so can any toon, it cant be made a rule no selling boosting toons. As for the stopping ogb they said they would look into it but the code for them just to have an area of effect or being system wide is a little too complicated for them atm....
multiboxing is fine if someone can run more than one account good luck to them tbh, again this is something that isnt just bought but trained toons for and only certain people can do it.... so no pay to win here either


I don't know why people are so reluctant to admit Eve is pay to win. You can boost literally every aspect of your stats using real money. What generally makes it feel acceptable is that there's more risk attached to wearing a Snake set or flying a pirate frigate or using faction modules or having a 50mSP clone. Ogbs do seem to break that rule a bit if they're as hard to scan down as some have indicated.


All those things can be bought without using real money. Hence, not pay2win. I have all of the things that are being complained about in this thread lol, but i didnt spend anything over my subscription to get them.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-03-07 23:14:51 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


All those things can be bought without using real money. Hence, not pay2win. I have all of the things that are being complained about in this thread lol, but i didnt spend anything over my subscription to get them.


Ahh, that's a better distinction.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#14 - 2013-03-07 23:18:17 UTC
i don't see the problem in your particular case. What would you do if he would have a fleet of distinct people instead of 5 alts? Its the same thing basically. You lost against a small fleet, thats all. Guess what would happen if you would have 5 people in fleet and fight a 5 client multiboxer.

i have one account, one char and do solo pvp most of the time. No OGB, nothing. I don't do it for the stats, i do it for the challenge. Could i win more fights with an OGB? of course. But why should i use it?

Sure OGB is at the current state broken, but not because the booster is an alt in 100% of all cases, its because its risk free. A small pos tower protecting your booster is cheaper as the average T3 subsystem of your booster alt.


Multiboxing pve is a different topic since it has other issues. For example it scales linear. You can double your fleet and point them to the ice asteroid and you have double throughput. Thats not cool. Ice does not deplete. The only limit for ice miners is the technical limit how many clients he can run. Again, thats not cool at all.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value

Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#15 - 2013-03-08 07:55:42 UTC
I multi-box 3 accounts. It isn't hard, nor is multi-boxing a problem - I personally disdain using links though. But that is my personal opinion.

Fact is, a condor would of beat a thorax easily. Just kill its drones and keep at range / hope he has no friends. It isn't hard, learn to figure out how game mechanics work. My friend Jeff killed a Maller the other day with a condor (No links either!).

I do agree that links should be made to be on grid, as I personally find them relatively low risk and overly beneficial. Many believe they are solo pvping when they have a good 30% boost on everyone else. I would rather people use Falcon pilots that they actually have to risk on the field and micromanage then a floating boost.

But like AFK cloakers (non issue), I do not believe it is an issue of urgency.
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#16 - 2013-03-08 08:08:37 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:

and for those who are crying like babies at been trolled....... Grow Up its a game i have 1 simple solution BLOCK THEM


This as well, I am personally not a fan of political correctness gone mad. I have insulted and been insulted by other players (But in good fun mind you), if someone says something In local short of threatening you, I believe the best solution is to simply block them.

If they continue to insult you through private messages with multiple accounts, I believe that is grounds to report them for harassment. Because that is an active pursuit of causing you discomfort. As opposed to friendly smack talk / banter in local.
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#17 - 2013-03-08 08:25:15 UTC
I for one, enjoy local banter, especially in the forum of split personality russian personas.
Ashrik Tyr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-03-08 17:27:42 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Suvetar
Snipped - Personal attack removed. ISD Suvetar

And multi - boxing will always be okay. I don't think there exists a single MMO in which it isn't. You may call it "Pay2Win",but your opinion on the matter is just slightly more relevant than that of the homeless man's down the street.
GreenSeed
#19 - 2013-03-08 21:52:23 UTC
if he has 5 accounts he must commit 5 ships, 5 pods and 5x the modules. if he has a bigger chance of success because there are more ships on the field, i call that.... eve online?

stop being a child and give up on the whole "solo pvp" dream... you engaged a group of 4 players with ogb and died, nothing out of the ordinary.

and about the other 2 things, OGB needs to go away. no need to tweak it, just get rid of it plain and simple. and if he spews racial slurs in local... report it, maybe? idk, its just a crazy idea i just got.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#20 - 2013-03-08 22:49:25 UTC
GreenSeed wrote:
and about the other 2 things, OGB needs to go away. no need to tweak it, just get rid of it plain and simple. .


This. The planned "on grid boosting" change is going to make large gangs with logi more powerful against a skirmishing force than they currently are.
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