Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I have a solution. Let ships fly and fight while cloaked.

Now everyone can stay cloaked and do their thing.

I don't give one rats arse about local in NS one way or the other. I live with cloaked ships all the time (AFK or active). Heck, I don't even know they are there unless I get lucky and pick them up on dscan while uncloaked. The friggin NS bears are QQ about how these guys lock down a system... really?

The rats would come in and post demanding cloaks too, if that happened.

I highlighted the important part right there. CAN.

They can do all the things you stated, but I would also like to point out that while they are cloaked, they can do none of these things. What they can do is relay intel, whcih anyone else can do as well.

Its all about potential. They might have a cyno on board. They might be a threat. They might be getting ready to gank you. They CANNOT do anything while cloaked. Your fundamental issue is that you don't know for sure and your afraid of what you don't know, just like everybody else.

And it has everyhting to do with local, because without local, you would have no clue they were there. How could they disrupt your actions by being afk and cloaked if you don't know they are there?

The fact is that you can continue to persue your actions wether theya re there or not. Just get ready to react should they do prove to not be afk.

Fine, I'll walk you through it. Interdictor enters system and warps to station (3s to align). Ships start to align to station (15-45s align). Dictor puts up bubble. Ships enter warp and are caught on the bubble far from the undock. Ships are webbed and scrammed and attacked. Mining and ratting is only zero risk when low IQ pvpers can't think of simply tactics like this.

Problem with pvpers is that too many of them are incapable of this high a level of thought and whine whenever the idea of AFK cloaky camping is challenged about requiring zero effort and zero risk.

Your tactics are flawed by how obvious they are.

They rely on players who are unprepared for such basic strategy, and who are predictable enough to both come from the same direction, and go to the obvious outpost.

The ones so foolish as to fall into your described trap should immediately return to high sec space.

Theoretically, yes, but it still requires perfect skills and implants to probe some ships.



Anything a cloaker can bring can be countered.

Conventional cynos can be stopped by a cyno jammer, leaving covert cynos.

Anything that can come through a covert cyno will be squishy, including Black Ops Battleships. A group of 5-6 PvP fit Blaster Taloses (around 900m total cost) running hubs for 20m ticks (each) will make short work of a Black Ops BS (around a bill each). Even if a gang of nine BlOps BS jump through, they'll be rolling the dice as to which one of them will lose their billion ISK ship. Add a couple of Scimitars/Scythes in there, and maybe a cloaked Sabre and you could really cause some carnage.

Even if you have the possibility of Titan bridges and large Black Ops bridges, the threat they can project is not infinite. They have limited range (sure, that range has recently been increase for Black Ops, but it's still limited) and so can only drop on you from a limited range of systems. With a halfway decent intelligence network you should be able to notice such large numbers moving around.



If you're ratting in your Vindicator while there is a cloaky hostile in system then you deserve to lose it.

However, if you think about a way to counter what may reasonably come through a potential cyno (such as the example given above), you can make yourself an undesirable target for any hotdrop. At the very least you'll get yourself a good fight if they do decide to pull the trigger.

If you get a reputation as somebody who destroys expensive hotdropping ships and pods their pilots, people won't bother you nearly as much. Conversely, if you get a reputation as somebody who runs to the forums to whine about every potential threat then people will flock to your systems to get a piece of the action.

Again sounds like you have a bigger problem with cynos rather than cloaks.

Have you ever flown a cloaky ship through somebody's space when they've been active and trying to kill you? It's no walk in the park. I've been dedicating my PvP time to decloaking cloaky ships as they come through gates and have had plenty of success. There's a hound pilot, a crane pilot, and a rapier pilot out there who could give you first hand accounts of the "threat/risk/effort to the cloaked ship" (the rapier had a cyno fitted too).

As for your previous case of 25-35 stealth bombers or 40-80 cruisers suddenly dropping in on you, if your intelligence network is so poor that you can't see fleets that big moving around within bridge range, you probably deserve to be dropped on. Having got that out of the way, flying PvP ships (particularly with a good mixed composition) means that a bigger gang is required to drop on you, and they are rare. That simple act of preparing for what might come through that potential cyno makes you an undesirable target for most hotdroppers who will simply move on to somewhere softer.

Never forget that you are playing against other people who will either try to overpower you, or if they can't, avoid you and find somebody that they can overpower. Which reminds me, this article I wrote is largely for you.

The issue OP seems to be having problems with from skimming the proposal isnt about local or cloaking.

its about cynos.

thats a FORCE PROJECTION issue, something thats a universal issue with null allowing large alliances to claim vast swathes of unused space with no reason to ignore smaller entities moving in withot crushing them, since they can have their entire capital armada there and back in 2 hours maximum (counting the POS bash itself into the time if they bring enough dreads).



as far as cloaking goes, outside of a cyno possibility, they pose no threat, as any cloaked ship is inherently gimping their fit.