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Has Heth lost it?

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Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#61 - 2013-03-10 20:45:31 UTC
Visera Yanala wrote:
While I respect the work you have conducted for the State during your time with the Independent Reserve, you really must learn to know your place and when it is wise to speak in the manner you have. My uniform is just that, a uniform. Nothing more. It simply signifies my rank and my conforming to the chain of command. It is my actions over the last eight decades that have defined my purpose within the command structure of the State. I have spent best part of a century devoting my life to the security of the State.

The safety and wellbeing of the Caldari people and the preservation and protection of corporate assets are the primary concerns of the Caldari Navy, and every one of the corporate security forces. Those who would seek to put either at risk forfeit the right to call themselves Caldari.


I should watch my tone? Admiral, I am no longer an active duty military officer in the Caldari Navy -- I am free to voice my political opinions as is any other Caldari citizen, with the exception of active duty Caldari military officers. I do not care how many years of service you have had, it is completely inappropriate for a military office to comment on corporate affairs, especially on the actions of specific corporate officers. Your duty is to the chain of command, as you so eloquently put it, and that chain of command ends with the Chief Executive Panel, not with the illegal and unprecedented office of the "Executor".

It is Caldari like you, Admiral, who have led us down the road we now travel. Where Caldari who have committed no crime other than refusing to kowtow to an incompetent thug are being arrested and accused of crimes against the State, when we all know the only "crime" being committed here is the simple declaration that the emperor -- or the Executor, in this case -- has no clothes. Where our leaders cower in fear of a single man who has led our economy to ruin instead of doing their duty and refusing to follow his disastrous policies. Where the market of ideas is not allowed to flourish because it offends the sensibilities of a a narrow-minded forklift operator without a lick of sense. And where that same fool was allowed to place the safety of the entire State at risk, gambling the lives of all Caldari, for the sake of a propaganda victory to sate his ego by a military which ignored their obligations to the long-term well-being of the Caldari State.

There was a time in the State when failure was to be called out and corrected, when leaders were supposed to earn their position based on proven ability, not demagoguery and theatrics, when Caldari remembered the lessons of their forefathers. Tibus Heth claims that his opponents have been corrupted by Gallente ideas, that their culture is an insidious menace creeping into Caldari society and he alone can purge it from our shores. The truth of the matter is that it is Tibus Heth and his Provists that represent all the worst of Gallente society -- the rampant politicization of government and policy, populism, style over substance, an overriding need to meddle in everyone's affairs, a bloated government that promotes a homogeneous mediocrity out of the mistaken belief that eliminating great failure is better than allowing for great success...if you are looking for traitors to our ancestors, Admiral, there is no better example than the Executor and his mob of sycophants. This is not a question of Patriots, Practicals, and Liberals -- this is a question of who has remembered the lessons of our past and who has forgotten it.
Sakura Nihil
Faded Light
#62 - 2013-03-10 21:51:15 UTC
You know it's bad in the Caldari State when Svetlana Scarlet, Gorion Wassenar, and myself all agree that Heth is leading the State to ruin, and should be eliminated.

In other news, does anyone have the weather forecast from hell? Is it expected to snow there tonight?
Gorion Wassenar
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#63 - 2013-03-11 02:50:15 UTC
The instant it was an executive rather than the shareholders that dictated policy is when everything went **** up. The system in place worked because it was a meritocracy of the best ideas presented to the CEP that decided the future of the State. Now its just a dictatorship where any attempts to have a disagreement brands you a traitor, even if that dictator is an idiot.

Rote Kapelle - NOW IN SLIGHTLY MORE LAW ABIDING FLAVOR!

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Visera Yanala
Caldari Navy
Caldari State
#64 - 2013-03-11 10:40:15 UTC
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:
Visera Yanala wrote:
While I respect the work you have conducted for the State during your time with the Independent Reserve, you really must learn to know your place and when it is wise to speak in the manner you have. My uniform is just that, a uniform. Nothing more. It simply signifies my rank and my conforming to the chain of command. It is my actions over the last eight decades that have defined my purpose within the command structure of the State. I have spent best part of a century devoting my life to the security of the State.

The safety and wellbeing of the Caldari people and the preservation and protection of corporate assets are the primary concerns of the Caldari Navy, and every one of the corporate security forces. Those who would seek to put either at risk forfeit the right to call themselves Caldari.


I should watch my tone? Admiral, I am no longer an active duty military officer in the Caldari Navy -- I am free to voice my political opinions as is any other Caldari citizen, with the exception of active duty Caldari military officers. I do not care how many years of service you have had, it is completely inappropriate for a military office to comment on corporate affairs, especially on the actions of specific corporate officers. Your duty is to the chain of command, as you so eloquently put it, and that chain of command ends with the Chief Executive Panel, not with the illegal and unprecedented office of the "Executor".

It is Caldari like you, Admiral, who have led us down the road we now travel. Where Caldari who have committed no crime other than refusing to kowtow to an incompetent thug are being arrested and accused of crimes against the State, when we all know the only "crime" being committed here is the simple declaration that the emperor -- or the Executor, in this case -- has no clothes. Where our leaders cower in fear of a single man who has led our economy to ruin instead of doing their duty and refusing to follow his disastrous policies. Where the market of ideas is not allowed to flourish because it offends the sensibilities of a a narrow-minded forklift operator without a lick of sense. And where that same fool was allowed to place the safety of the entire State at risk, gambling the lives of all Caldari, for the sake of a propaganda victory to sate his ego by a military which ignored their obligations to the long-term well-being of the Caldari State.

There was a time in the State when failure was to be called out and corrected, when leaders were supposed to earn their position based on proven ability, not demagoguery and theatrics, when Caldari remembered the lessons of their forefathers. Tibus Heth claims that his opponents have been corrupted by Gallente ideas, that their culture is an insidious menace creeping into Caldari society and he alone can purge it from our shores. The truth of the matter is that it is Tibus Heth and his Provists that represent all the worst of Gallente society -- the rampant politicization of government and policy, populism, style over substance, an overriding need to meddle in everyone's affairs, a bloated government that promotes a homogeneous mediocrity out of the mistaken belief that eliminating great failure is better than allowing for great success...if you are looking for traitors to our ancestors, Admiral, there is no better example than the Executor and his mob of sycophants. This is not a question of Patriots, Practicals, and Liberals -- this is a question of who has remembered the lessons of our past and who has forgotten it.


When you have shared boardrooms with the leaders of megacorporations and the entire Chief Executive Panel for eight decades to ensure the safety of the State, and possess an intricate knowledge of our military capability and readiness, then feel free to lecture me.

Until then, reserve your energy and save your breath, child. It is better spent on the war effort than creating pointless hot air.

Visera Yanala
Caldari Navy
Caldari State
#65 - 2013-03-11 10:48:06 UTC
Sakura Nihil wrote:
Visera Yanala wrote:

The safety and wellbeing of the Caldari people and the preservation and protection of corporate assets are the primary concerns of the Caldari Navy, and every one of the corporate security forces. Those who would seek to put either at risk forfeit the right to call themselves Caldari.

My, aren't you arrogant? Thinking yourself so important as to be able to tell someone that they're not "a true Caldari" because they disagree with your worldview.

If you feel so strongly about this, perhaps you should turn your attention to Executor Heth. He and his loyal forces seem to be putting both at risk right about now.


I do believe Mr Khross was capable of understanding my transmission.

When you are ready to stop playing revolutionaries like a child in a playground with a loud voice and a wooden sword, and are ready to accept some responsibility, return to the State, and defend your people against the clear and present danger we are presented with, feel free to voice your concerns.

Until then you will be considered the same as all deserters from the State who turn their back on their heritage. Guri. A waste of biomass.

Visera Yanala
Caldari Navy
Caldari State
#66 - 2013-03-11 11:15:59 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I must admit that your reply to me has me a little star-struck, respected Admiral. Rest assured that my efforts in the war zone will remain undiminished.


The State owes immense gratitute to those Caldari who strive to ensure that our citizens remain safe and well. We thank Pyre Falcon Defence Combine for your continued vigilence and support in such trying times.

Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#67 - 2013-03-11 16:37:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Svetlana Scarlet
Visera Yanala wrote:
When you have shared boardrooms with the leaders of megacorporations and the entire Chief Executive Panel for eight decades to ensure the safety of the State, and possess an intricate knowledge of our military capability and readiness, then feel free to lecture me.


Perhaps your time with the very people who have handed over control of the State to an incompetent madman has clouded your judgement, then. This war effort is bleeding our people dry -- everyone can see this except, evidently, those who are supposed to be leading us. Even the Navy's own assessments have stated that the occupation of Caldari Prime is costing us dearly...of course, we have not seen any of those in more than four years, perhaps because they would be embarrassing to the Executor and his apologists within the Navy command staff. Our State is no better off than it was five years ago, before we handed the reins over this foolhardy regime, and the fact that you can't seem to realize that does not impugn my judgement.

I would rather be a child, Admiral, than an old woman clearly past her prime.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#68 - 2013-03-11 16:50:33 UTC
With respect Admiral and Scarlet-haani,

This conversation has degenerated into personal insults and disregard. It is obvious you both are passionate about your viewpoints, let us not dishonor ourselves in public further by continuing this display. These discussions are the material for private boardrooms and officer's quarters not an intergalactic circus.

Our history is filled with strong disagreement and differences, the original establishment of our great State held this to be truth when it was founded upon the principles of decentralized leadership and competition of ideals. Our unifying factor being our stalwart belief that steel sharpens steel, that our differences grind against one another and hone each of us to better serve to reach our goals, that opposition breeds courage and determination, that competition deters stagnation and complacency. This has not changed and you have both displayed it in practice.

However, we do this privately so that we do not become distracted by public appeal or swayed by public opinion. We present to others our unified front, strengthened by the determination and prowess we have gained from our differences.

Our opinions of the Executor aside, we each have a duty as Caldari loyal to our people and to the State (whatever you believe the State should be, it is our national home) to serve in the capacities we are able and strive ever forward to the betterment of our people. Let our differences sharpen us, not shatter us.

~Malcolm Khross

Sakura Nihil
Faded Light
#69 - 2013-03-11 21:02:55 UTC
Visera Yanala wrote:
Sakura Nihil wrote:
Visera Yanala wrote:

The safety and wellbeing of the Caldari people and the preservation and protection of corporate assets are the primary concerns of the Caldari Navy, and every one of the corporate security forces. Those who would seek to put either at risk forfeit the right to call themselves Caldari.

My, aren't you arrogant? Thinking yourself so important as to be able to tell someone that they're not "a true Caldari" because they disagree with your worldview.

If you feel so strongly about this, perhaps you should turn your attention to Executor Heth. He and his loyal forces seem to be putting both at risk right about now.

I do believe Mr Khross was capable of understanding my transmission.

When you are ready to stop playing revolutionaries like a child in a playground with a loud voice and a wooden sword, and are ready to accept some responsibility, return to the State, and defend your people against the clear and present danger we are presented with, feel free to voice your concerns.

Until then you will be considered the same as all deserters from the State who turn their back on their heritage. Guri. A waste of biomass.


Responsibility? What responsibility do I owe to a State that I didn't interact with until I was an adult, or a pompous ass who sees himself the messiah of the Caldari people?

None.

If we're going to talk about people shirking their responsibilities, I suggest you look in the mirror, Admiral. You, by your own admission, you represent an organization tasked with the safety and well-being of the Caldari people, along with their corporate assets. If that's truly the case, how can you stand by as civilians in corporate freighters get murdered by the Home Guard, and do nothing?

I may be a pirate, and a killer of innumerable thousands, but at least I accept who I am. I live to kill, to sharpen my skills, to acquire power, and I do not pretend to have moral high ground to stand upon. You have the power to change this, to truly protect people from a tyrant, yet you sit on the sidelines, selfishly putting your own personal committment to "duty" above the safety and well-being of our race at-large.

If empowered individuals like yourself are unwilling to take a stand against, to use your words, a clear and present danger we are presented with, what hope do we as a race have for the future?
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#70 - 2013-03-11 23:39:11 UTC
I'm picking out a single remark from Svetlana Scarlet's postings, but it has me puzzled a bit. The idea that any Caldari is free to voice their political opinions. It's a complete tangentialization but that's nothing new with the IGS.

It may be that exposure to what is a very Gallenteanized capsuleer community has warped the ideals of individuals to make several assumptions, one of which is that 'freedom of speech' is an absolute moral standard. The Federation Constitution preaches absolute moral standards regarding freedom of speech, and the Caldari rejected that when they formed the State (or when the corporations did, at least).

It seems to be very anomalous as to why certain Caldari capsuleers, like Gallenteans, assume freedom of speech is always a good thing. When you have an ordered, hierarchal society like the Caldari, freedom of speech is a bad thing. It disrupts the social order, it asks questions and proposes alternative systems. If a Caldari uses this alleged freedom of speech to say "Hey, can we have a State without the megacorporations and instead functions on a mandate of the masses?", she'll be ostracized, no? That's not freedom of speech. According to the classical thinkers of Garoun, freedom of speech means we should be able to speak our minds without negative consequence. Ostracization as a consequence is not freedom. Even then, there are plenty of examples of why freedom of speech is a bad thing.

This is not a criticism of Caldari society. By being absent of the traditional freedoms of the Federation, I have noted the State to be a far more efficient and cohesive at the communal level, putting the current inter-corporate conflicts aside. Being able to speak one's mind openly in the State seems contrary to everything I have witnessed thus far. In your own homes, at the bar, fine. I'm talking about open and very public channels. Caldari culture values discretion and prudency, and knowing your station in the hierarchy.

If the Caldari value the same freedoms as the Gallenteans do, one really has to wonder why the idea that the two cultures are so fundamentally incompatible has been perpetuated for so long. I just see a dissonance between what I witness amongst individual Caldari versus the proposal they can speak their mind without consequence.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#71 - 2013-03-12 00:12:26 UTC
Allow me to offer you a form of response, Inhonores.

The Caldari do favor organization and hierarchy, we also value prudent silence and wisdom. However, every member of the State may express themselves to a degree based on their station. This is not "freedom of speech" as the Gallente would understand it, nor is it what apparently many express as a positive thing here.

Within the State, there are expectations of every individual. Social expectations, expectations of decorum, duty, sacrifice, obligation and even speech and silence. These expectations may vary from position to position and person to person, but we are raised knowing what the expectations surrounding us are and when our position changes, we are made aware of the expectations that change.

The blathering about you see displayed on these discussions is largely due in part to the lack of immersion capsuleers have with the State and the lack of established expectations on capsuleers in general.

~Malcolm Khross

Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#72 - 2013-03-12 00:21:15 UTC
That really is a great response and synthesis.