Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Way more then a hundred on this forum and the old one with a lot of support in its own right. As for a good idea vs a bad idea that is entirely a matter of opinion, one that many are for and many against.


I disagree that it is halving the effect in fact. It depends on how effective a detection system is on a pilot to see how much of a nerf it is, say a system that busts them immediately vs on that can be easily evaded.

I however prefer that the entire system be changed to allow for a greater possibility of stealth by a cloaked pilot with the ability to get in and out of places almost completely undetected with more risk if people are actively looking for you. A system that allows for more cloak and dagger for instance a cloak pilot in local spotted on the D-Scan, a fleet warps in and as the pilot detects them getting closer cloaked wolf pack at the edge of the system outside D-Scan range warp in.

A system that maybe be a nerf to certain tactics but not to the ship because it makes other tactics more viable like hiding on the edge of a system free of local alert and then warping in to an area where targets might be. Trade offs that don't so much hurt ambushing but make it more active.

Then CCP should investigate connections between people who make up these threads and people who Bot and RMT. Then keep an eye on threads created by people using throwaway alts or have no active history, see who plexes them ect.

99% of the respondents are the same people who responded negatively to this thread are the same ones from the last AFK Cloak threads BTW.

I personally want a better stealthier more active cloak system with opposition but that is just me, botter wants be damned.

OP just wants to remove all the risk but keep all the rewards.

Cloaks aren't broken, no fix required. Efforts should go towards fixing local instead.

I'd be ok with a way to detect cloaked ships but only if required a specialized hull and quite a few weeks longer to skill into than other ships of the same class (possibly requiring maxing cloak operation)

Two ideas that are not really anti-cloaking methods but will allow players to gain more intel on cloaked ships:

Special probes that can identify active cloaks in the system. High hit may identify the ship type but never a exact location is revealed, only a estimated are with high deviance.

A module that allows to ping a area. Cloaked ships yield a visual pong but will not uncloak or show up on the overview. Limited range and long'ish cooldown.

Both may require a special ship to use/fit. Maybe a T2 version of the new destroyers.

The question that keeps being avoided by risk averse players is this:
Why should you be told any intel for zero effort?

The fact that the effort is not needed at all should scream that the system is being dumbed down.
And the devs, famous for balancing anything they can, have also dropped the rewards to take this into account.

The truth is, we don't have this game without dumbed down safety elements except in a wormhole, and those add a laundry list of other aspects that take it to an extreme in-the-jungle aspect many wish to avoid.

At the very least, null sec should not have empire style tell all chat channels that hand out free intel, as if noone was willing to make the effort to get it competitively. We might have to play if that happened.

The entire problem is that nullbears already have TOO much intel thanks to local, and with zero effort. Giving them more is a bloody stupid "solution".

Both your ideas also destroy wormhole space, as you can use them to find out if people are in your wh. Currently you can't ever know if or how many people are in your wormhole. That's a deliberate, designed mechanic. And your ideas throw it out the window. All in the name of giving MORE intel to nullbears who already have 100% free, perfectly accurate intel on who is in their system

I think the idea of free intel is senseless

I honestly think that the true intel items should get a rework, the D-scanner, then probes...That all should be reworked with better skills and better ways in finding people. Then we need to remove this thing known as local. Sure you can keep the chat, but having the ability to see who ever when ever is a bit senseless.

This (the bolded part) isn't entirely true. A cloaked ship (say a sabre for instance) in fleet and on grid with ships that are ratting will receive a share of bounties. Hey wait a second, that could be a counter to having a hostile stealth bomber cloaked in system! Who would have ever thought such a thing could exist?!?

As for the OP: No, just no.

I really take issue with your post. This is AFK Cloaky Fix Thread #3,567,345!!! ;)