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Multiboxingsoftware... Y ?

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Goldnut Sachs
#21 - 2013-03-05 16:17:15 UTC
stop trolling the germans.
Barzai Mekhar
True Confusion
#22 - 2013-03-05 16:17:25 UTC
Razefummel wrote:

My Argument is that softwarebased Character steering with an third Party Software should be generel bannable for a good Reason.


Unfortunately you fail to provide a "good reason" - or really any reason beyond "I don't like it".
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-03-05 17:34:43 UTC
Goldnut Sachs wrote:
never stop trolling the germans.

Fixed that for you. ^_^
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#24 - 2013-03-05 17:36:42 UTC
Barzai Mekhar wrote:
Razefummel wrote:

My Argument is that softwarebased Character steering with an third Party Software should be generel bannable for a good Reason.

Unfortunately you fail to provide a "good reason" - or really any reason beyond "I don't like it".

No, that is the reason.

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#25 - 2013-03-05 17:37:29 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Barzai Mekhar wrote:
Razefummel wrote:

My Argument is that softwarebased Character steering with an third Party Software should be generel bannable for a good Reason.

Unfortunately you fail to provide a "good reason" - or really any reason beyond "I don't like it".

No, that is the reason.



Its a reason yes, but not necessarily a good one.

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Nico elScorpio
Care Bear Hi Sec Industries
#26 - 2013-03-05 17:55:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Nico elScorpio
The quite obvious reason for this whine about EyesB0xx0r and others is ordinary jealousy, some thing widespread in german national psychology. In this world it's not allowed being sly and gain double benefit by only doing half of the work (while the other half is simply duplicated). So its some kind of weird self-righteous morality going on plus the feeling that someone, who is using multiboxing sofware, in the end of the day, has more profited more than myself. Consequently, the anger about this "betrayal" will be communicated. When the other person really "works harder" for his advantage the anger and envy, that is nonetheless present, remains hidden behind the forehead.
Further examples? German yellow press, greek, italy...
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#27 - 2013-03-05 18:06:14 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Barzai Mekhar wrote:
Razefummel wrote:

My Argument is that softwarebased Character steering with an third Party Software should be generel bannable for a good Reason.

Unfortunately you fail to provide a "good reason" - or really any reason beyond "I don't like it".

No, that is the reason.

Its a reason yes, but not necessarily a good one.

Indeed, it's a stupid reason.

This is General Discussion.

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#28 - 2013-03-05 18:08:07 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Barzai Mekhar wrote:
Razefummel wrote:

My Argument is that softwarebased Character steering with an third Party Software should be generel bannable for a good Reason.

Unfortunately you fail to provide a "good reason" - or really any reason beyond "I don't like it".

No, that is the reason.

Its a reason yes, but not necessarily a good one.

Indeed, it's a stupid reason.

This is General Discussion.



I concur

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#29 - 2013-03-05 18:29:18 UTC
Razefummel wrote:
Klymer wrote:
Seriously, another thread on this?

If duplication = botting as some idiots believe then I call for the banning of people creating duplicate threads.



"Buhu... cry me a River." is that your Argument?

Ok, lets get serious.

My Argument is that softwarebased Character steering with an third Party Software should be generel bannable for a good Reason.
My Argument didn´t include the "How does the Software work?" because it dosn´t matter.
This has already been ruled on and deemed OK. If you don't like it, log in and make them DIAF or you DIAF trying.

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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-03-05 18:56:38 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Razefummel wrote:


It dosn´t make sense. Just because the software imitates my mouse movements? That is exacty what an Bot would to too, steering Ships and imitate my behavior.


Imitation requires a player to actively play the game for anything to happen. A bot will play the game without requiring any interaction from a player. As you can see they're nothing alike.

what about a bot taht shuts itself down if I don't press Q every 20 seconds?

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#31 - 2013-03-05 19:02:12 UTC
Razefummel wrote:
Why is ist alowed zu use Software for "Ship-steering" ?




+ 1 for imitating Teri Garr in "Young Frankenstein".

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#32 - 2013-03-05 19:47:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Beekeeper Bob
One <> the other.

But anything that encourages alts is bad for the game, and if you read the EULA, it's really questionable as to how ISBoxer is not a violation of it.

"3.You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."

Clearly ISBoxer facilitates the accelerated acquisition of items, when compared with one player running twenty separate accounts manually.


But money talks, everyone else walks......Oops

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#33 - 2013-03-05 20:26:12 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
One <> the other.

But anything that encourages alts is bad for the game, and if you read the EULA, it's really questionable as to how ISBoxer is not a violation of it.

"3.You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."

Clearly ISBoxer facilitates the accelerated acquisition of items, when compared with one player running twenty separate accounts manually.


But money talks, everyone else walks......Oops

Oh ho, a wild gamebreaker argument has appeared.

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Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#34 - 2013-03-05 20:33:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Xen Solarus
Your talking about alot of subscription money to ban these sorts of players. I mean, who doesn't have more than one account? CCP wants people using more than one account, the more the better to be honest, as it gets them far more cash. As long as there is an actual human behind the controls, sitting at his computer, going to all the hassle of getting all his accounts running at the same time, then they don't care.

Its the Bots they're after. Completely automated, computer controlled with zero human imput. I can see you're finding it hard to differentiate between the two. But its quite simple. Human controlled accounts = good, computer controlled accounts =bad.

Working out which are the bots and which are actual players is the hard part i imagine, but those smart CCP people have their ways! Cool

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#35 - 2013-03-05 20:57:54 UTC
****. Why did this need ANOTHER thread....

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Mag's
Azn Empire
#36 - 2013-03-05 22:18:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
You know what, this is pointless.

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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-03-05 22:39:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
Oh boy! Another, "My computer isn't powerful enough to run multiple clients and I can't afford a dozen computers to do it using ISBoxer, so you shouldn't have it either" thread.

Don't ban me, bro!

Razefummel
Unknown Dimension
#38 - 2013-03-05 23:00:21 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
Your talking about a lot of subscription money to ban these sorts of players. I mean, who doesn't have more than one account? CCP wants people using more than one account, the more the better to be honest, as it gets them far more cash. As long as there is an actual human behind the controls, sitting at his computer, going to all the hassle of getting all his accounts running at the same time, then they don't care.

Its the Bots they're after. Completely automated, computer controlled with zero human input. I can see you're finding it hard to differentiate between the two. But its quite simple. Human controlled accounts = good, computer controlled accounts =bad.

Working out which are the bots and which are actual players is the hard part i imagine, but those smart CCP people have their ways! Cool


I KNOW, that CCP didn´t want to have less payed Accounts. I know also that the Mainargument is that a Person is in front of the PC and "uses" all those Accounts and the Software is "just" copying the Movements of an real Player. And i also know that its actual very comfortable to gain that much ISK with such less effort.

All that is actual true and i also understand why CCP is accepting it.

But if we shortly see that we could allow bot using with the same Reason, because if i am sitting in front of my PC and would have an Bot running for my giant Miningfleet while i do something else with my "Main-Account" we have 2 Situations in wich a Player is using Software to handle as many Chars as possible.

I didn´t sayed that multiboxing is generaly a bad Thing, i sayed that Software wich is able to handle the Character steering SHOULD generaly be permitted.

And the Question is why CCP doen´t like Bots but likes Multyboxers insted of permitting ´em? The Mony couldn´t be the reason, because the "Bottingaccouts" are also payed like the multiboxing ones.


Mr Kidd wrote:
Oh boy! Another, "My computer isn't powerful enough to run multiple clients and I can't afford a dozen computers to do it using ISBoxer, so you shouldn't have it either" thread.


You shouldn´d believe that just becaus i didn´t found that described "200" other Threads here. Blink

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#39 - 2013-03-05 23:18:52 UTC
Razefummel wrote:
And the Question is why CCP doen´t like Bots but likes Multyboxers insted of permitting ´em? The Mony couldn´t be the reason, because the "Bottingaccouts" are also payed like the multiboxing ones.
Because one entails players not playing the game but still getting the benefits from it, and the other does not.

You're so hung up on the use of software that you miss the obvious: they want players playing the game, not bots. They don't want automation. That's all there is to it.
Razefummel
Unknown Dimension
#40 - 2013-03-05 23:30:59 UTC
Tippia wrote:
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You're so hung up on the use of software that you miss the obvious: they want players playing the game, not bots. They don't want automation. That's all there is to it.



Wait. Thats the Point. It IS automation if i setup an 40 Char-Miningfleet with BOTH of that Programs. Just because 1 Account used by an Player didn´t make it less automated.

Think about it.

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